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On this date in 1864

Posted on 02/27/2017 3:29:28 AM PST by Bull Snipe

the first of many thousands of Union prisoners of war arrived at Confederate Camp Sumpter, near Andersonville, GA


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1 posted on 02/27/2017 3:29:28 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

My great-great grandfather died in Andersonville as a POW. He was a member of an Indiana regiment.


2 posted on 02/27/2017 3:49:03 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Charlie, here comes the deuce, and when you speak of me speak well.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Wife and i visited Andersonville last year.
My oh my what a horrible history the place has.
I will say the Union POW camps were no better.
Neither side would muster the funds needed to properly care for the other sides prisoners.


3 posted on 02/27/2017 3:58:27 AM PST by Joe Boucher (President Trump makes obammy look like the punk he is.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

My great, great grandfather died a prisoner of war at Camp Douglas, IL. He’s buried in a mass grave with 6,000 others.


4 posted on 02/27/2017 4:01:31 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: Bull Snipe

They didn’t have food enough to feed them. Pray they suffered not too badly.


5 posted on 02/27/2017 4:07:49 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

as did nearly 13,000 other Union Army prisoners.


6 posted on 02/27/2017 4:09:49 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Joe Boucher

You are correct. The treatment of Union and Confederate prisoners of war was deplorable on both sides. In the case of the Confederacy, by 1864, all resources were becoming scarce. What resources were available went to support the fighting armies. The Union, with considerably more resources, simply mismanaged the entire prison issue. They were capable of providing adequate food, clothing, and facilities but failed to do so.


7 posted on 02/27/2017 4:27:20 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bull Snipe

That is Sumter, there is no such name as SumPter.


8 posted on 02/27/2017 4:34:47 AM PST by RipSawyer (At the end of the day...the sun goes down.)
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To: Bull Snipe

I’d read that there was harsh debate in congress which refused funds for prisoner care too
Wife is from New Jersey and had not been aware of these places


9 posted on 02/27/2017 4:40:23 AM PST by Joe Boucher (President Trump makes obammy look like the punk he is.)
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To: RipSawyer

My bad.


10 posted on 02/27/2017 4:44:09 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Islander7

One of my ancestors (GGG-grandfather) also died at Camp Douglas.


11 posted on 02/27/2017 4:49:42 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: major-pelham
They had enough food but the CSA quartermaster corp was so corrupt it got sold to the civilian market at huge profit. Col. Wirz was hung because he was incompetent more than any other reason.

Another bad thing: the inmates ran the camp and they were brutal to each other.

12 posted on 02/27/2017 4:52:28 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Islander7

A documentary on TV years ago described an Illinois prison which was said to be much worse than the Confederate prisons. Some of what they described was like a horror movie.


13 posted on 02/27/2017 5:02:01 AM PST by RipSawyer (At the end of the day...the sun goes down.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

> My great-great grandfather died in Andersonville as a POW. He was a member of an Indiana regiment.

My great-great uncle died in Elmira, NY as a POW.


14 posted on 02/27/2017 5:10:11 AM PST by BuffaloJack (The Democrats haven't been this aggitated since Lincoln took away their slaves.)
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

My great-grandfather barely made it out of Point Lookout alive.


15 posted on 02/27/2017 5:24:35 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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That was probably Camp Douglas in Chicago, ILL. It deserved it’s history as being the worst camp of all the Union POW camps.


16 posted on 02/27/2017 5:57:51 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Buckeye Battle Cry

Much of what happened to Union soldiers in Confederate prisons can be laid at the feet of Grant and Lincoln.
They were the ones who decided to end the practices of prisoner furloughs and prisoner exchanges.
They hoped to deny seasoned troops and officers to the Confederacy while overwhelming the prison system.
It worked, but many men on both sides died needlessly.


17 posted on 02/27/2017 6:52:06 AM PST by oldvirginian (If someone tells you biscuits and gravy ain't a meal, just walk away. You don't need the negativity.)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Same with two of my g-g-uncles (Co.F 47th NC). From what I have read Point Lookout was one of the less severe POW camps and it was still quite brutal.


18 posted on 02/27/2017 7:06:40 AM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: oldvirginian

To some extent true. However, one of the reasons for the decision to end prisoner exchange was that the Union insisted black Union soldiers be treated as any other Union soldier in the exchange system. The Confederate commissioners did not agree, they would not consider captured black soldiers as legitimate prisoners of war, subject to exchange. The impasse could not be resolved.
This was part of the United States Government’s consideration for ending prisoner exchange program with the Confederate Government together.


19 posted on 02/27/2017 7:15:44 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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Grant and Lincoln were like the majority of northerners, they didn’t give a fig about the negroes be they slave or free.

New Yorkers rioted when Lincoln announced the draft. Negroes were hung in the streets and editorials were written denouncing Lincoln’s “Nigger War”. The US navy had to shell NYC so the Union army could restore order.
The idea that the US civil war was about slavery is hogwash.

Lincoln knew that the European immigrants in the north had come from countries with strong central governments. Those immigrants could be swayed into fighting to maintain what they knew: a strong central govt that seemed benign.

Grant knew he had one thing the south didn’t: overwhelming numbers. He intended to use them.

They both, Grant and Lincoln, knew the logistics problems in the south. They knew the south couldn’t provide for large numbers of prisoners and their own army.

The treatment of captured negro soldiers was an easy excuse for them to use to deny furloughs and exchanges. They knew the south would never agree.
There was nothing humanitarian about their demand. They simply demanded something they knew the south would never agree to.

So in the end men on both sides died that shouldn’t have because the Union leaders wanted to press their numbers advantage.


20 posted on 02/27/2017 11:51:58 AM PST by oldvirginian (If someone tells you biscuits and gravy ain't a meal, just walk away. You don't need the negativity.)
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