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To: Mr Rogers

you’re giving shi**y advice and I have a right to say so. Have a nice day.


91 posted on 02/12/2017 9:08:21 AM PST by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: RC one

“you’re giving shi**y advice and I have a right to say so.”

Legal right? I suppose so. Moral right? Probably not.

But much of what you wrote is simply wrong. Lots of folks can shoot a revolver fine. The 38 IS a proven round. And if you carry defensively (CCW), versus offensively (cops and soldiers), then A) You will probably never need ANY gun, and B) If you DO need a gun, it should be one you enjoy enough to practice with. And C) The gun cannot shield you. It can only raise the cost of attacking you to your attackers.

And with CCW, in many locales, it needs to be a gun you can CONCEAL. I didn’t buy my Beretta Pico for its enormous firepower.

And who knows? Your 10mm Glock MIGHT be big enough to hide behind. Me? I don’t feel at all under-gunned with a J-frame on my hip and the Pico in a pocket. YMMV, and you are certainly welcome to carry anything you can carry legally that meets your purpose. FWIW, I haven’t met anyone in southern Arizona who agrees with your sterling, gold standard advice. But if you can conceal it and shoot well with it - enjoy. Your advice isn’t “wrong”. It just isn’t universal.


96 posted on 02/12/2017 12:06:48 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: RC one
From the link you posted:

"Barring central nervous system hits, there is no physiological reason for an individual to be incapacitated by even a fatal wound, until blood loss is sufficient to drop blood pressure and/or the brain is deprived of oxygen...

...The human target can be reliably incapacitated only by disrupting or destroying the brain or upper spinal cord. Absent that, incapacitation is subject to a host of variables, the most important of which are beyond the control of the shooter. Incapacitation becomes an eventual event, not necessarily an immediate one...

... While penetration up to 18 inches is preferable, a handgun bullet MUST reliably penetrate 12 inches of soft body tissue at a minimum, regardless of whether it expands or not. If the bullet does not reliably penetrate to these depths, it is not an effective bullet for law enforcement use...

...If a bullet destroys about 2 ounces of tissue in its passage through the body, that represents 0.07 of one percent of the mass of a 180 pound man. Unless the tissue destroyed is located within the critical areas of the central nervous system, it is physiologically insufficient to force incapacitation upon the unwilling target. It may certainly prove to be lethal, but a body count is no evidence of incapacitation..."

A good 38 special load, like Buffalo Bore's, will expand and penetrate 12-14". But neither it nor the 45 acp nor the 10mm nor ANY handgun cartridge will "force incapacitation upon the unwilling target". Thus the gun one carries, if a handgun, doesn't defend you. It only gives you a chance of hurting or killing the person who hurts or kills you.

And thus movement might be better for survival than shooting.

97 posted on 02/12/2017 12:19:59 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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