Posted on 02/11/2017 6:38:15 PM PST by MtnClimber
Brazilian store robbery. Good guy has good skills in dropping groceries and acting compliant. When robber turns to cash register the good guy pulls gun, but bad guy hears when he has to rack the slide to chamber a round. The good guy barely wins the shoot out.
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The other guy already has a finger on the trigger. So you pull out your supergun - and he shoots you in the face while you are clearing leather. It will take him 1/4 second to pull the trigger and shoot you, so unless you have an incredibly fast draw...
And no matter what pistol cartridge you shoot him with, after using your super fast draw, unless you shoot him in the brain, he WILL have time to empty his 45 into you before he dies. So you will then die about 5 seconds after he does.
Might want to rethink your plan of action.
1911 cocked and locked with a thumb break strap between the hammer and frame is safe and fast. Comforting
Excellent post.
No gun is reliable if the user doesn’t bother to clean and maintain it.
The IDF and CCW are subject to different circumstances. When responding to a terrorist attack across the street, you have time to rack the slide. In a mugging, the guy will generally be within arm’s length before you have grounds to draw. It will then be unlikely that you will have the time to rack, and you may need one arm to hold him off while you draw.
That sounds like a really safe rig.
The photo in post #42 is a good example.
Depends on the gun I am carrying.
For my 1911 and P238, I carry cocked and locked. Condition 1.
However, both of my Glocks use IWB holsters in the front of my pnts so that means when I am sitting, the gun is pointed at my femoral artery. Because of this, I carry Condition 3 Glocks. Rather safe than sorry.
It isn’t about that at all. It happens when you eject your fired rounds without pointing the muzzle upwards. semi autos don’t have that problem btw. hehehe
and you really don’t have to do much cleaning and maintaining of a Glock either incidentally. Most folks just do it because it seems like the right thing to do.
you’re giving shi**y advice and I have a right to say so. Have a nice day.
I’ve shot my revolver on the range for thousands of rounds without that stoppage. Then again, I do point the muzzle up when ejecting cases. I also clean it after every use, so I don’t expect it to happen during CCW carry. I also don’t carry a reload when carrying my revolver, so it wouldn’t make a difference anyway.
My revolver is what I carry when my primary concern is concealment. Other times I carry my. 45, with a round chambered.
Same with my KAHR so I prefer non chamber
I think I am a “Glockaphobe”
See above for Why.
I carry a 327 nightguard occasionally but, to me anyways, it feels a little bit like riding a motorcycle without a helmet. It feels nice and cool and comfy but you know it wasn't the best choice. But, chances are, it will be all right.
“you’re giving shi**y advice and I have a right to say so.”
Legal right? I suppose so. Moral right? Probably not.
But much of what you wrote is simply wrong. Lots of folks can shoot a revolver fine. The 38 IS a proven round. And if you carry defensively (CCW), versus offensively (cops and soldiers), then A) You will probably never need ANY gun, and B) If you DO need a gun, it should be one you enjoy enough to practice with. And C) The gun cannot shield you. It can only raise the cost of attacking you to your attackers.
And with CCW, in many locales, it needs to be a gun you can CONCEAL. I didn’t buy my Beretta Pico for its enormous firepower.
And who knows? Your 10mm Glock MIGHT be big enough to hide behind. Me? I don’t feel at all under-gunned with a J-frame on my hip and the Pico in a pocket. YMMV, and you are certainly welcome to carry anything you can carry legally that meets your purpose. FWIW, I haven’t met anyone in southern Arizona who agrees with your sterling, gold standard advice. But if you can conceal it and shoot well with it - enjoy. Your advice isn’t “wrong”. It just isn’t universal.
"Barring central nervous system hits, there is no physiological reason for an individual to be incapacitated by even a fatal wound, until blood loss is sufficient to drop blood pressure and/or the brain is deprived of oxygen...
...The human target can be reliably incapacitated only by disrupting or destroying the brain or upper spinal cord. Absent that, incapacitation is subject to a host of variables, the most important of which are beyond the control of the shooter. Incapacitation becomes an eventual event, not necessarily an immediate one...
... While penetration up to 18 inches is preferable, a handgun bullet MUST reliably penetrate 12 inches of soft body tissue at a minimum, regardless of whether it expands or not. If the bullet does not reliably penetrate to these depths, it is not an effective bullet for law enforcement use...
...If a bullet destroys about 2 ounces of tissue in its passage through the body, that represents 0.07 of one percent of the mass of a 180 pound man. Unless the tissue destroyed is located within the critical areas of the central nervous system, it is physiologically insufficient to force incapacitation upon the unwilling target. It may certainly prove to be lethal, but a body count is no evidence of incapacitation..."
A good 38 special load, like Buffalo Bore's, will expand and penetrate 12-14". But neither it nor the 45 acp nor the 10mm nor ANY handgun cartridge will "force incapacitation upon the unwilling target". Thus the gun one carries, if a handgun, doesn't defend you. It only gives you a chance of hurting or killing the person who hurts or kills you.
And thus movement might be better for survival than shooting.
Also, drop one in the mud or street grime and see how fast the Click is not followed by a Boom!
Also, there is no way the necessary revolver double action trigger pull has the potential for accuracy a good SA trigger pull, even the Glock “Squeeze the sponge” feel has.
In the fwiw dept, a weapon that I carry is a S&W 9mm with single action and no safety. I will not carry with one in the chamber.
The last thing I need is to blow off a nut.
5.56mm
There is a big difference in someone breaking into my house, and me getting involved in stopping an armed robbery. I had rather police handle the armed robbery. No time to wait on police if someone is breaking into my house.
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