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A good reason not to carry with an empty chamber
Youtube ^ | 20 Jan, 2017 | Active Self Protection

Posted on 02/11/2017 6:38:15 PM PST by MtnClimber

Brazilian store robbery. Good guy has good skills in dropping groceries and acting compliant. When robber turns to cash register the good guy pulls gun, but bad guy hears when he has to rack the slide to chamber a round. The good guy barely wins the shoot out.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; carrystrategy; concealedcarry; selfprotection
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To: RC one
"I wonder how a head shot would have looked inside that helmet."

Probably like this:

...only not green.

21 posted on 02/11/2017 7:11:52 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: MtnClimber

It is a personal decision


22 posted on 02/11/2017 7:12:36 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
IMO, most revolvers are inadequate SD weapons. They tend to have short barrels and bobbed hammers and that negates the accuracy and muzzle energy advantages of the magnum revolver platform right out of the gate. They tend to have a lot of muzzle blast and jump which makes follow up shots harder. If they are of the magnum variety, recoil is severe which makes us disinclined to practice with them. Then there's the reduced capacity problem which is even more of a problem when you consider that you may be in a fight with multiple attackers who may very well have high cap semi-autos. And God help you if you need to reload. I have an 8 shot 357 S&W Night Guard that I consider to be minimally adequate but I know it still isn't the best choice. The Glock 20 (10mm auto) is a much much better choice IMO. Next best is a Glock 29 (the smaller 10mm auto).

In a real gun fight, a revolver doesn't give you a single advantage. fact is, it handicaps you.

23 posted on 02/11/2017 7:19:04 PM PST by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: MtnClimber

One thing, not mentioned yet, I believe, is the presence of a laser dot on someone’s chest/forehead. It can have a positive effect on the show down.

The one time I had to draw my CW in self-defense, the laser dot on his forehead caused him to drop, prone to the floor and beg for his life.

God Bless Crimson Trace.


24 posted on 02/11/2017 7:19:23 PM PST by Daffynition ("The New PTSD: Post-Trump Stress Disorder" - The MLN didn't make Trump, so they can't break Trump.)
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To: Strac6

get a little unburned gun powder trapped behind the star ejector and see how fast a revolver stops working.


25 posted on 02/11/2017 7:20:46 PM PST by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Anyone have experience with the Chiappa Rhinos? A guy on YouTube sang their praises when he was arguing for revolvers as a carry weapon.

26 posted on 02/11/2017 7:21:55 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: smokingfrog

I have the XD40 with grip safety. Don’t carry it but have it as a bedside weapon. Have it stored in a case with finger locks.


27 posted on 02/11/2017 7:26:16 PM PST by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Someone can also manually grip the cylinder to prevent movement, and if it has an external trigger it can be blocked.

Nothing is exactly perfect.


28 posted on 02/11/2017 7:26:45 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: PLMerite

29 posted on 02/11/2017 7:29:46 PM PST by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: MtnClimber

I also don’t want to shoot myself in the a$$, then have some smart aleck medical person ask “why did you do that”, and not have an answer.

I have decided to have an empty chamber for the piece of mind it provides.


30 posted on 02/11/2017 7:32:16 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( Agenda driven news is fake news.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Great if you have the use of both hands.


31 posted on 02/11/2017 7:34:27 PM PST by Organic Panic (Rich White Man Evicts Poor Black Family From Public Housing - MSNBCPBSCNNNYTABC)
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To: RC one

I have higher capacity guns, but a P-14 is not exactly easy to conceal.
When I open carry, that’s my choice. Cocked and locked.

I practice with my .357 frequently and have no issues, all steel so recoil is manageable. I chose this one because the lightweight ones do have severe recoil. I also carry and practice with a speed loader. I’m not as fast as Jerry Michalek, but getting there.


32 posted on 02/11/2017 7:34:32 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: MtnClimber

I carry loaded, condition 1, anything less is a club. Present and fire.


33 posted on 02/11/2017 7:34:58 PM PST by umgud
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To: Strac6

“Sorry, but the misnomer that a revolver never fails killed a number of FBI agents in the Miami shootout.”

It did nothing of the sort. No revolver there failed. Both bad guys were stopped by revolver fire. Matix was taken out early in the fight by 2 revolver rounds. At the end of the fight Platt and Matix both were given a full revolver load by Mireles that ended the fight.

The revolver and shotgun there were the only things that saved the day.


34 posted on 02/11/2017 7:35:56 PM PST by DesertRhino
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To: Secret Agent Man

I think you meant external hammer, mine is shrouded.


35 posted on 02/11/2017 7:36:51 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Strac6

“the misnomer that a revolver never fails killed a number of FBI agents in the Miami shootout”

No, what killed people at Miami was a guy who took a long time to die. And unless you blow a guy’s brains out, there will be enough residual blood pressure for him to shoot back - no matter where else hit - for 10-20 seconds. That is enough time for him to empty a gun into your chest.

Guns are not shields. They do NOT stop other people from shooting you. Period.

I’ve had two revolver failures in 40 years. I’ve had a S&W Shield jam multiple times...never figured out why.

There are no absolute rules in self defense.


36 posted on 02/11/2017 7:38:37 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: avenir

I’ve seen them, but not shot them, no personal experience.


37 posted on 02/11/2017 7:39:38 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Yeah :)


38 posted on 02/11/2017 7:39:57 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Strac6

And the FBI revolvers weren’t even using magnum loads. They were using the lead 158 SWHP +P .38 Special loads. The supposed weapon “failure” in Miami was the performance of the 9mm silvertip round.

Actually every weapon there was fine. It was FBI tactics that were lacking. They blamed the gun. And that is where the 10mm FBI gun came from, leading to the .40 s&w.


39 posted on 02/11/2017 7:41:42 PM PST by DesertRhino
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To: Daffynition

How was he able to see the dot on his forehead?


40 posted on 02/11/2017 7:44:07 PM PST by KingLudd (A)
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