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The biggest barrier to Windows 10 success is still Windows 7
ZDNet ^ | Jan 22, 2017 | Steve Ranger

Posted on 01/22/2017 6:23:39 PM PST by dayglored

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To: Olog-hai

*** So much for “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it.” ***

I really wish I didn’t have to move to Windows 10. I’m perfectly happy with most of my work on Windows 7.

Unfortunately, many of the system and network administration tools, and powershell modules I need to use MUST be run on Windows 8.1 or later, i.e. Windows 10.

I suppose I could continue to logon to different servers in order to administer Exchange 2016, Office 365, and AAD Connect, but it’s so inconvenient to have to have all these RDP sessions going.

But I really don’t care for Windows 10, though I haven’t had the time to try to learn the interface. My biggest problem is trying to make the time to learn to use Windows 10!

Mark


61 posted on 01/22/2017 9:08:05 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: TomGuy
Agree with that. I only lost a few things (software/peripherals) switching from XP to Win 7. I tried Win 10 on an extra hard drive and hated it. I have no intention of every re-trying Win 10. I bought a Linux laptop a few months ago. If/when Win 7 becomes inoperable, I may go full Linux. Until then, I am babying my Win 7 laptop and desktop and have Windows updates turned OFF on both of them.

With a little easy and free customization you should be able to make W/10 like W/7 and better, but thank God we have choices. Imagine where we would be if all we had was gov. issue.

62 posted on 01/22/2017 9:10:47 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: adorno

[[The same whining that occurred with the Windows 7 upgrade from Win XP, is happening all over again.]]

No that’s not true- there is a big difference- windows 7 still allowed control over updates for the user- windows 10 does not- windows 7 also didn’t have the intrusive phone home crap that windows 10 has-

Oh and windows 10 calculator sucks- and it doesn’t have true spider solitaire anymore- major deal breakers lol


63 posted on 01/22/2017 9:11:13 PM PST by Bob434
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To: TomGuy

[[If/when Win 7 becomes inoperable, I may go full Linux.]]

You could dual boot- run windows 7 for offline only, and linux for all online stuff- it’s a little bit of work setting up- but once it’s up it works a charm-


64 posted on 01/22/2017 9:17:20 PM PST by Bob434
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To: daniel1212

Win 10 dropped the ‘classic’ theme after an early release. The other themes just did not have the same feel. Borders were unclear, scroll bars were tiny and difficult to use. It was a mess that was not worth fooling with.

I did read a comment recently that Win 10 was designed for touchscreen. I don’t need or want a touchscreen for a desktop computer. Many of us still do real computing beyond the glitz and glitter. I want practical, not glitz and glitter. I don’t need cutzie backgrounds, etc., because I usually have several windows open and the background is completely covered. And those blocks or whatever they are called in the menu system are awkward.


65 posted on 01/22/2017 9:21:29 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: dayglored

Hey, I’ve still got a couple XP boxes that work fine.


66 posted on 01/22/2017 9:28:19 PM PST by DaxtonBrown
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To: Bob434
linux for all online stuff-

I am finding that Linux browsers don't play nice with some video related things. My ISP, for example, has a webpage that presents my cable channels for viewing on the computer. Fox has FoxSportsGo. Similar with ESPN and NBC and CBS.

I tried to run those on the Linux machine with Firefox, Firefox ESR, Chromium, Chrome, Seamonkey, Opera. Some would partially load, but not completely, Others would not load at all. I did manage to get the little video window, but the cursor would spin and spin but not connect. In Firebox and a couple of those browsers, it would error out and say I needed the latest Adobe Flash. According to the system info, the latest Flash is installed.

I also tried Wine for several older Windows programs. None of them worked. Some did load partially, but not even enough to actually make them usable.


67 posted on 01/22/2017 9:32:27 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
> Linux browsers don't play nice with some video related things.

Even as a Linux fan, I must second your observation. Linux is still way behind the curve in video codec compatibility and just plain basic "Play my video" support.

I keep a Windows machine around for such times.

68 posted on 01/22/2017 9:40:41 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: TomGuy; Windflier
I need to add: I have Win 7 updates turned OFF, but I still get ‘critical updates’ auto-installed. Some of those ‘critical updates’ cause programs and I have to do a system restore to get things working again.

This may work on W/7 also: http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-to-prevent-windows-10-from-automatically-downloading-updates/

69 posted on 01/22/2017 9:41:11 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: dayglored; TomGuy; relictele; laweeks; HamiltonJay; BureaucratusMaximus; Trumpnado2016; MarkL
Ummm.... Watch little dancing tiles in your Start Menu? Give up a bunch of personalization options for the desktop?

Not with Classic Shell, and Right click extender and some other safe freeware (like T-CLOCK REDUX) and customizations. Thank God.

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70 posted on 01/22/2017 9:45:29 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: TomGuy

nah i never could get wine to run programs very well either-

for the videos- i only ever really view youtube videos- they all run fine for me in firefox-

you can get the video to run- when it says that you need latest flash- a box should pop up in the upper left, right under the file menu- you can ‘allow once’ or ‘always allow’ if you trust the site-

Flash is not being update in firefox anymore from what i understand- but being that firefox is such a popular browser- websites are going to have to adjust somehow- some solution is going to hve to be done to accommodate firefox users- not everyone wants to go with chrome- supposedly Chrome does get updated flash- But i won’t use it- I’m surprised none of those browsers you listed worked- I woudl think a few woudl have-

supposedly everythign is going to html5 now- not sure what htat means exactly, but i think it has to do with video content as well- maybe that is the deal- you can get a firefox plugin that plays html5- perhaps that is the problem?


71 posted on 01/22/2017 9:47:41 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Paladin2
What can one do on Win10 that can’t be done on Win7?

Unfortunately, the powershell modules required to administer Exchange 2016, AAD Connect, Azure, and parts of Office 365 will only run on Windows 8.1 or later, even though I've upgraded the powershell on my Win7 workstation to the latest version.

Mark

72 posted on 01/22/2017 10:12:29 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: daniel1212

Bump for later reference.


73 posted on 01/22/2017 10:20:04 PM PST by Jotmo (Whoever said, "The pen is mightier than the sword." has clearly never been stabbed to death.)
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To: daniel1212

Amen! Classic Shell has saved my sanity numerous times.


74 posted on 01/22/2017 10:58:17 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Indeed, and try T-clock redux. Many options, including showing seconds, which after all these years MS still does enable this. The reason why is here: http://www.thewindowsclub.com/display-seconds-in-taskbar-clock-windows


75 posted on 01/23/2017 5:47:45 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: DesertRhino

I had it forced on me.


76 posted on 01/23/2017 5:50:49 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: goodnesswins

Their really are not any options for new laptops unless you want to reformat the hard disk and install Windows 7 fresh.

Another possible option is to install the expensive Enterprise version of Windows 10 which supposedly has a way to control the telemetry service (Although I still would not trust it).

Another option is to build your own PC (not a laptop) with a motherboard, CPU and network card you can trust. Probably older hardware.

The fact is that the entire industry (Including Intel, AMD, IBM, 3COM, LinkSys) have been compromised by Obama’s justice department to conform to the new telemetry specs. There are not many ways to get around it.


77 posted on 01/23/2017 7:04:07 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Flavious_Maximus

I have a friend who would build us a desktop...but we need something portabke...I’m back to reconsidering Apple...but after 34 years of pc....not an easy choice.


78 posted on 01/23/2017 7:19:35 AM PST by goodnesswins (Say hello to President Trump)
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To: dayglored
On my Win10 machines, I installed Classic Shell...

I work in IT and have to deal with many "stock" Windows 10 systems, and I lose my mind trying to make them do things via the stock UI.

I installed Classic Shell on my wife's 8.1 laptop and she enjoys seamless familiarity with good old W7. My question is this. When I finally replace my old W7 desktop computer with one using W10, if I install Classic Shell and disable (to the extent possible) a bunch of the privacy "features" of W10, do you think I will ~more or less~ have a similar experience?

79 posted on 01/23/2017 7:58:51 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Donate monthly and end FReepathons.)
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To: daniel1212

Thanks for the ‘how to geek’ link. I’ve got my Win7 set in such a way that it only loads updates I manually approve.

Since Microsoft began force feeding Win10 on its customers, I haven’t accepted a single one.


80 posted on 01/23/2017 9:23:26 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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