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The events of the last few months are just reminder that America was always Europe's bizarre [tr]
Twitter ^ | January 12, 2016 | Julia Ioffe

Posted on 01/12/2017 1:37:25 PM PST by C19fan

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To: HiTech RedNeck
Except when they aren’t peaceful... hello civil war? hello BLM?

You actually prove my point. The fractures of slavery and states rights were suppressed by compromise as much as possible for 70 years (or longer depending how you calculate). The issue eventually had to explode in great bloodshed.

21 posted on 01/12/2017 2:01:39 PM PST by PGR88
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To: gaijin

Exactly, they are doing down the tubes long before us. Europe, Britain, and Canada. Australia and America continue to still be run by adults. Japan and Korea will likely be survivors as well. Europe are has been nations with near zero economic growth, and completely ridiculously cradle to grave entitlement systems they cannot afford.


22 posted on 01/12/2017 2:03:30 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: PGR88

Don’t overlook the obvious: people are born sinners. This world is not anybody’s ultimate home. Some are sent to heaven. Others are sent to hell. It depends on what they believe on while here.

It’s kind of vain to talk about rights when they are being exercised to do the wrong thing. Proverbial bad karma is what busted up slaveowning USA.


23 posted on 01/12/2017 2:06:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Run by adults except when the spoiled kiddies get the levers of power, that is.


24 posted on 01/12/2017 2:07:18 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well yeah, I use to think our politicians were wee children here in Canada, but you guys have some pretty ridiculous politicians too. I mean a Klan member and a fellow who drove his car into river and killed the woman inside.


25 posted on 01/12/2017 2:10:06 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: C19fan

Oh for goodness sake, so says the Europe that’s tried to exterminate one or the other group twice in the past century?

Are they having another outbreak of ergot over there or something? Hold onto your hats if so, the blood’s going to start running in the streets again.


26 posted on 01/12/2017 2:10:07 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: PGR88

By the way why am I so proud of being a redneck when the South was such a grief to slaves? (Though the North definitely had a finger in that rotten pie too.)

It’s simple. Red necks picked cotton at least for themselves, if not also as a larger business. It was the pink necks who ventured outside only long enough to see that the slave drivers were doing what they wanted. A red neck was a sign of honor, and always is even when only virtual (as is possible in our modern automated age).

Black people today, if they got out from under the miasma of the Democrats, would cheerfully welcome the Dixie flags, and losers like Dylan Roof wouldn’t even be seeing them as plausible things to wave. They would know that is the sign of “We pick our own cotton here!” NO slaves.


27 posted on 01/12/2017 2:13:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Sam Gamgee

The bible model counters the bad children with the children who are being made good. “Nobody enters the kingdom of heaven except that do so like a little child.”

It isn’t even a matter of whether it is children. It’s what KIND of children, and that in turn is based on what the children believe.


28 posted on 01/12/2017 2:16:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Proverbial bad karma is what busted up slaveowning USA.

Exactly. And the longer you "live in sin" or suppress natural forces (Marxists would use the word "contradiction"), the greater the opposite reaction will be.

For example, Europe's elites, society and governments, seek to limit discussion of the negatives of mass immigration, particularly Muslim immigration. As such, it is a problem whose pressures are growing - and will eventually explode. America appears "messy" because we still have a semi-free society and strong civil society outside of government that permits people to argue, act, and vote on, such things.

to take a general idea from Taleb's "Black Swan" theory - systems that break and adjust regularly are actually very robust - in that they survive. He calls it "anti fragility." Complex, centralized systems that attempt to control risk will eventually meet an unpredictable "black swan" event.

29 posted on 01/12/2017 2:30:13 PM PST by PGR88
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They were also writing that our beastly climate and the native foods we were by necessity eating such as maize, beans, potatoes, squash, etc. would over generations cause the original hearty wheat fed European stock to degenerate into a sickly population of imbecilic dwarves. They never quite grasped that the best of them were the ones who looked around, said **** this, got on board reeking leaky ships, survived weeks of being tossed at sea in floating petri dishes of disease, and then thrive in a maelstrom of make it or die 'cause you're on your own freedom. Like the elongated humans in the science fiction book series Expanse adapted to life in zero G corridors of carved out asteroids, we are a strong new race (of no particular color) adapted to this land. It's the ones our ancestors waved goodbye to as the ships left port who degenerated.
30 posted on 01/12/2017 2:33:39 PM PST by katana
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To: PGR88

I’m unashamed to attribute it directly to God. Sometimes the seemingly simplistic explanation is the one that explains more than anything else.

God let the society get fragile due to evil. God never WISHED that on the society. However, because love would not be true if it were forced, God PERMITTED the society to wish it on itself and carry on that way until it reached the breaking point.

As for the ill starred Confederacy? If you step up before God, as the founders of America did, and say “we have a firm basis upon which to be free!” but it so happens that you’re enslaving your fellow man (of any race) at a scandalous rate, God has every right to answer “well, well, we’ll just see about that!”


31 posted on 01/12/2017 2:36:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: PGR88

... and, though it took a long long time for the shoe to drop, this has finally happened to the Democrats. God raised up Donald Trump and told him something audacious. Donald Trump shows every sign of having gotten a divine revelation, even though his outward behavior is quite secular. Maybe to Donald this is something like a trans-religious experience, it is one that is so large that a church (as he knows it, the old-line Presbyterians) couldn’t possibly hold it, so he doesn’t bother with church. That could change as the church itself grows, not just in number, but in heart.


32 posted on 01/12/2017 2:44:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: PGR88

... and not like slavery per se could stop a nation from declaring independence (as America did at first) but also, the canons of “slave holding” degenerated as they passed from people like Thomas Jefferson to the antebellum south which being sold down the river to was considered a fate worse than death for a Negro. God does not even so much look at trip wire events as at pending tendencies. If it is poised to head in a worse direction rather than a better one, then action from heaven may occur to head that off. Better the civil war than a status quo, which is not static but hellward bent.


33 posted on 01/12/2017 2:49:13 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: C19fan

Just got to laugh when people from 3rd World European countries try to shame us ... they don’t even have a bill of rights, they just get what their betters allow them.


34 posted on 01/12/2017 2:50:52 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Dan Rather, a 60 Minutes Investigative Reporter for CBS, invented "Fake News"-fake but accurate.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Our errors go on in broad daylight. We might actually be wrong about some things (like trying to eliminate addictions by banning the wherewithal to feed them) but the dirt that results is right out there in glorious daylight for all to see. Chicago is shooting itself up! Well ain’t that remarkable, George. America is even honest about its vice, at least until extreme leftists try to hide it with lies.


35 posted on 01/12/2017 2:59:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Exactly right. Europeans have been saying these things about Americans since at least the eighteenth century. Of course, true Americans never much gave damn.
36 posted on 01/12/2017 3:10:32 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: C19fan
Here we go ... The tired old trope about how civilized Europe is and how we "New Worlders" are a bunch of gun-totin' Wild West hicks with no history and no sense of decorum.

But let's see ... What continent has been the scene of two world wars in the last century, and virtually non-stop war and revolution in the century before that ...?

Spare me the effete pretensions.

37 posted on 01/12/2017 3:44:53 PM PST by IronJack
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To: C19fan

Let see ..how many World Wars started in Europe??? Vs America


38 posted on 01/12/2017 3:45:57 PM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat9000)
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To: C19fan

Marxism killed a conservatively estimated 100 million people in the 20th century. Thank you Europe, how very civilized!


39 posted on 01/12/2017 4:12:28 PM PST by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: IronJack

And they mock us for being a bit thick around the waist, while they walk around smoking like chimneys!!! Who does studies of death from lung cancer and tobacco-related illnesses in France, Greece and Italy, for example? I haven’t run across any, either! /s;)


40 posted on 01/12/2017 4:39:24 PM PST by Frank_2001
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