"Tom" reveals origins of 'Golden Showers' segment of Trump dossier to Jeff Kuhner

YouTube/Jeff Kuhner Report ^ | January 11, 2017 | Jeff Kuhner

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A 4Chan participant self identifying as "Tom" is familiar with the origins of the "Golden Showers" segment of the anti-Trump dossier and shares specific details with Jeff Kuhner.

• Listen here to the cued up portion of Kuhner Report 1/11/2017

  Rough transcript of relevant details:

• Kuhner: "Tom on PeeGate in Mass, go ahead Tom..."
• Tom:..."OK I'll start at the beginning. What happened is Rick Wilson put out a tweet that kind of offended a lot of people on the political section of a website called 4Chan. Uh, so, it angered a lot of people-actually, the funny thing is it wasn’t many Trump supporters. It was mostly Jeb supporters that were in on this.

  Um, this started back in January of 2016. So, after that, we kind of got together and wrote some, you know – it was all joke stories. What’s funny is like half these things, like, things that you read about the pee stuff – that, all most of it came from Rick Wilson’s son. We found that his son was writing stuff like this on the internet. So, we kind of like compiled a little joke story and it was just meant to annoy Rick Wilson. So, Rick Wilson got it and he took it – he didn’t understand that a lot of it was written by his son or was based off of things that his son wrote. Um, so, Rick Wilson passed it up the chain through McMullen.

• Kuhner: Ok, now Tom, before you continue I want to ask you this…Because what you said to us on the phone was you were kind of ‘in on this’, correct?
• Tom: Yeah, a lot of us got together and we were – and we came up with a joke story…
• Kuhner: Basically a joke story, what they call ‘fan fiction’.
• Tom: Yeah,
• Kuhner: And, Rick Wilson, what you said, is an establishment Republican, a big #NeverTrump’er, close with the Bush’s – Jeb Bush, but also with ties to Marco Rubio and John McCain, correct?
• Tom: Correct.
• Kuhner: Ok, and then so, you pushed it to Rick Wilson. He obviously took the bait. Then, what did he do with the info?
• Tom: Ok, so then, um, somehow , I don’t know if it was him or one of the members of his staff – but they presented it to McMullen, uh, and then, uh, who you know what pages he’s got ties to and uh, then McMullen passed it onto McCain and then McCain passed it on to Comey an now at some point in these transactions a lot of, uh, more Russian stuff was added so that not all of this – a lot of the things were changed in it and like the Russians , uh, they put more of a Russian spin on it than what we had originally come up with.
• Kuhner: The five years that they had been cultivating Trump that they had been cultivating for five years – and they wanted him to buy properties and hotels and they tried to put sweeteners in there to hook him in. Right, all of that was, I think that was added by the CIA – correct, Tom?
• Tom: Yeah, yeah. These are all fake things that they just put a spin on it. Which is funny, that they just throw it into a story that they thought was true to begin with. And, um, what they – ok, so, after that, like, we put in things like’ Manafort’. If you know that towards the end,’ Manafort ‘ is misspelled three different times. And so, we put that in on purpose to see if (transmission is garbled) it would ?
• Kuhner: Tom, hold on, you’re breaking up on me. Tom, can you hear me? Hello? Ah! Ok, we just lost Tom. Did we lose him? Let’s try it..ok…we’re going to try to call him back because the sixty-four-thousand dollar question – I think I know the answer but ‘why would you have done this in the first place?’. Why? Now, I think the answer is, look, Rick Wilson is a very obnoxious guy. He’s always, he was always insulting Trump supporters throughout the entire campaign. He was rabidly anti-Trump. So, ok, we’ve got him back? OK, I think it was ‘let’s just prank him and just basically pull of a hoax, never thinking it was going to get this far. Tom, do we have you back on?
• Tom: Yeah, okay, so
• Kuhner: Tom,
• Tom: So, we never thought it was going to go this far, exactly. And
• Kuhner: Tom, why did you do it (cross talk)…Tom, if you don’t mind me asking, why did you do it in the first place?
• Tom: To annoy Rick Wilson. It wasn’t meant to, like, scuttle anyone or see who would publish it or this and that. It was just to annoy Rick Wilson.
• Kuhner: Ok, we’re missing like why would this annoy him? Wouldn’t he love this, that, you know . . .?
• Tom: No, we’re gonna show the stuff that his son – like, where we had all the things that show what his son had said half these things (cross talk)
• Kuhner: Ah, so basically to embarrass him, to humiliate him. You believe something that your own son wrote as fiction.
• Tom: Correct. Yes.
• Unidentified female co-host: I have a question. Are you going to come out on other than this talk show that you and your friends made up this joke? (cross talk) Are you going to go public with it?
• Tom: We have someone right now who is working with a lawyer to prove that the documents he presented with Rick Wilson are, in fact, from January. Well, in fact, I’m turning them over .
• Kuhner: Well, Tom, listen. I really want to thank you for calling the show because you’ve completely clarified this. I’ve got to ask you one final question, Tom, ok?
• Tom: Absolutely.
• Kuhner: So, this started off as a hoax, as a prank, as a joke to go after Rick Wilson. Is it not frightening that what starts out as a prank, as a joke, ends up being in out intelligence report? Ah, we lost him again. Ok. Hopefully we can get him back on. I mean, I want you to think about this. That the CIA put this in their intelligence report and not only was this put in their intelligence report – this completely bogus story – unverified – unsubstantiated – clearly in fact, a hoax orchestrated – but then, they send it around (this is the key point) to everybody on Capitol Hill – all majors, the top senators got this briefing. People in the intelligence community supposedly got this briefing. Obama supposedly got this briefing.

  So, complete fake news was taken up by the CIA , just unconditionally, without any vetting, without any fact-checking and then they pass it off as ‘truth’, as the real thing to bring down a president-elect. I want you to think about that.

  And on top of it, he just admitted it. By the way, McCain has now admitted it. He was the guy that sent the staffer off to meet with this supposed British agent who also had this bogus dossier and he fed it to Comey to bring down Trump as well.

  This is our intelligence community? Then they’re even caught adding a Russian spin to it, on top of it all, to make the story even worse for Trump and to, sort of make his connection with Putin even tighter?

  They’re making everything up!

  And these are the people entrusted with the national security of The United States?

  Listen, my friends, heads have to roll.

  Jake Tapper has to go.

  McManiac (McCain) has to resign over this. He needs to be forced to resign over this.

  And the CIA, it is now time for major sweeping reforms and a purge of all of these political hacks at the CIA.

  Agree/disagree

[Hostage]

> “he can be an independent or Democrat”

He already is a covert democrat and that’s not an exaggeration.

He went to AZ to take Goldwater’s seat after he dumped his wife and married the rich girl with the mob-related family.

The AZ political machine draws from both republicans and democrats to keep him in power. That machine knows the state republican rank and file want McCain gone, so the machine gives McCain all the money he requires (to the tune of tens of millions) and further arranges democrat crossovers to knock out primary opponents and cinch the primary victory for McCain. Then the red state voters have nowhere to go, they either vote McCain or stay home.

Meanwhile, McCain fancies himself as entitled. If Goldwater had been a democrat, you can take it to the bank, McCain would have been one too, overtly. As it is, he’s 100% Uniparty, playing all sides against the truth.

[oblomov]

As much as I disliked Obama’s policies, imagine if McCainiac had become POTUS in 2008.

We would today be talking about the shambles of the GOP, how many statehouses and governorships it had lost, the loss of the US House and Senate for the next 20 years or more, etc...

[UCANSEE2]

The disturbing thing is that our top intel officials apparently can’t tell the difference.

I'm pretty sure our top intel officials are Soviets.

[UCANSEE2]

Did they hoax us with the Pizza Gate story?

I DARE YOU to read this:

Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence

[Twinkie]

SEVEN & ONE-HALF DAYS.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Heads BETTER ROLL over this.

[MHGinTN]

Um, speedy trials for treachery against AMERICA, then guillotines in action ... these are the dead soul enemies of The Republic. They are incapable of truthful living as they spit in God’s face daily demanding their degeneracy be normalized.

[Ransomed]

Who the heck are these mouthbreathers that sit around and make up stories this vulgar and then send them to people for chuckles?!

It was supposed to annoy the person it was sent to because his son supposedly wrote similar vulgar stuff? That was supposedly the big idea behind it? Good grief already.

Freegards

[UCANSEE2]

.and I'll go one farther, Hillary Clinton was involved, just hasn't come out yet...

This whole 'story' was a rewrite of an investigation done on HILLARY and OBAMA back during their DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. Both 'sides' were trying to find proof that the other was using 'foreign influence' to win the primary and be the DEM CANDIDATE during the 2012 election.

[semantic]

The disturbing thing is that our top intel officials apparently can’t tell the difference.

What if they can tell the difference? Wouldn't that make it even more disturbing?

Let that implication sink in.

[Fractal Trader]

The true origin of the Golden Showers story.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

https://youtu.be/qpWy0w4gIZM

[UCANSEE2]

I was a bit ambiguous. By ‘whole story’ I mean the whole RUSSIA - TRUMP saga.

The story this article is about, is just one element of that saga.

[LucyT]

Article, # 14, 16, 21, 24, 29.

Thanks, Fractal Trader.

[Ann Archy]

was Pizzagate brought forth by 4chan??? OMG!! It seemed so REAL!

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Vic S wrote: "... A good book that explains how this works is by Carroll Quigley, “Tragedy and Hope.” Quigley was Bill Clinton’s mentor."

Thank you. I read the first few Kindle pages available at Amazon and it became abundantly evident how Quigley was Clinton's mentor.

[FamiliarFace]

I’ll have to check that out when I have more time.

[Durus]

Pizza gate was true at least in its constituent facts. 4chan didn’t have anything to do with it.

Pissgate, was intentionally created as a hoax to fool idiots and it worked. Why do you have a problem with it? Why do you think have any outrage at all? When you say “us” who are you referring too?

[Vic S]

Quigley is a Harvard PhD in Political History and was allowed to review all the secret documents in the CFR archives, under one condition - he not mention the Rockefellers. The book explains how and why ww1 and ww2 were started (both by England/Anglo-American establishment) and how the central banks were formed and the families involved. There is even detail on Napolean and the future, which much of has come true. It is considered by many to be the most important book of the 20th century. VERY INFORMATIVE!

Jay Dyer did a chapter by chapter review of this book. 8 parts and 2 hours each. The first hour is available on youtube for free, the full 16 hour version is available for a fee on his site, jaysanalysis.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxhXVudkkhw&t=2s

[Responsibility2nd]

Re read my comments. I have no problems with Pizza Gate.

“Why do you think have any outrage at all?” What are you trying to say? What does that even mean?

Nevermind. My point was that 4Chan broke the “news” of Pizza Gate. To say they “didn’t have anything to do with it” is false.

Some FReepers believe Pizza Gate is fake news. Another “Certifigate” story if you will. And are mad that others who believe every word of this and by doing so makes us all look like gullible fools.

I myself take no stand either way. I’ve neither denounced nor accepted the events known as Pizza Gate.