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How Pearl Harbor Created a Climate of Fear
CNN ^ | Wed December 7, 2016 | Daniel Greene

Posted on 12/07/2016 3:20:32 PM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 12/07/2016 3:20:32 PM PST by nickcarraway
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In 1941 a CNN would have blame the US for provoking The Empire Of Japan with the oil embargo.,


2 posted on 12/07/2016 3:23:07 PM PST by AU72
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They did the same when the NYT reported on those "unpatriotic" colonials...
3 posted on 12/07/2016 3:26:33 PM PST by max americana (For the 9th time FIRED LIBERALS from our company at this election, and every election since 2008)
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Not fear, stupid moronic CNN - righteous anger. Outrage. Totally different from what YOUR audience would do if it happened tomorrow.


4 posted on 12/07/2016 3:26:44 PM PST by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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They talk about fear like there isn’t anything good that comes out of fear.

Fear can make people more careful. Fear can stop people from doing stupid things. Fear can make people think twice before doing something they would come to regret. Fear makes you examine risk and risk vs payoff. Fear is what gets a lot of people to stay away from a bad place at bad times.

They do not understand rational fears versus irrational fears. They believe all fear is irrational.

Rational fear is also healthy respect for something. Rational fear is what causes people to take precations and plan ahead for potential problems.

Rational fear doesn’t turn someone into a phobic person who can’t function normally on a daily basis, that sees trouble around every corner. That is irrational fear.

These people are just propagandists trying to spin off rational concerns and solutions as irrational. We all know they are doing this.


5 posted on 12/07/2016 3:27:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: AU72

How did I know that the rats at CNN would blame us somehow?


6 posted on 12/07/2016 3:27:17 PM PST by Luke21
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headline should read “conservative extremist Christian ministers” and Second Amendment beliving patriots


7 posted on 12/07/2016 3:28:20 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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My Grandmother told me that she was on a train to visit her Niece in Idaho on 12/7.

She said she prayed, and felt it was reveled to her that we would prevail with much suffering.

8 posted on 12/07/2016 3:30:16 PM PST by Little Bill (o)
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I mean, it's not like the we were at WAR with a country that did Invade North America and could have very easily pushed us out the Pacific entirely.

The Response to Pearl Harbor was WAY out of proportion to a war that we were LOSING.

9 posted on 12/07/2016 3:30:34 PM PST by KC_Lion ("I'm a believer that you don't need a title, and you don't need an office to make a difference"~S.P.)
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>>Americans believed that enemy spies and saboteurs lived among us. Some did, though not nearly as many as we imagined

How many did we imagine, Daniel? Have you read Magic: The Untold Story of U.S. Intelligence and the Evacuation of Japanese Residents from the West Coast During Ww II? I strongly doubt it. Japanese / Japanese-Americans were reporting home all ship movements in Long Beach harbor, for but one example, from a fishing village on a small island there.

https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Intelligence-Evacuation-Japanese-Residents/dp/0960273611

Further, Japanese / Japanese-Americans tended to send their kids back to the mother country for schooling, which very much included indoctrination in Japanese militarism. This was unlike German and Italian immigrants.

This is just another standard “Pearl Harbor was bad, but America was so evil and racist for interning the Japanese, let’s talk about that” type article. Bleh.


10 posted on 12/07/2016 3:32:16 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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It's like clockwork. Every year on December 7 the MSM focuses on the Japanese detention centers instead of the vets and the attack.

The article makes a big deal that some called them "concentration camps." At the beginning of the war the term did not have the evil connotation it had at the end. They were simply camps where people were, well, concentrated. Once we discovered the Nazis were turning concentration camps into death camps the term acquired a very different connotation.

Not to defend what happened. The Supreme Court adopted the strict scrutiny test for discrimination based on color or national origin, but then botched the application of that test in finding the internments legal.

Incidentally, the Hawaii Japanese were not interned for the practical reason that Hawaii could not function without the Japanese labor force. Japanese volunteered for the American armed forces in much higher numbers in Hawaii than in the continental U.S.

11 posted on 12/07/2016 3:34:17 PM PST by colorado tanker
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You’re right. In the reading I’ve done on WW2 one of the recurring themes is American soldiers meeting Japanese soldiers who went to school in the US, who grew up in the US, played baseball, and etc.

When these Japanese-Americans had to choose between the US and Japan they chose Japan.

Thus there was good reason to be cautious about a population within our borders who were known and proven to have had loyalties to and sympathies with the enemy.

Not unlike today with the Muslims who lobby for Sharia law in the USA. They’re our enemies, too.


12 posted on 12/07/2016 3:39:46 PM PST by MeganC (Hate crime: The heinous act of disagreeing with a liberal.)
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Yep. And ignored news of the bombing and invasions of Hong Kong, the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, and Dutch Indonesia because it interfered with our understanding Japan’s legitimate grievances.


13 posted on 12/07/2016 3:47:54 PM PST by katana
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What if the Normandy invasion had occurred on June 6th, 2007?

How would the modern media have reported it?

Video: D-Day: Crisis On Omaha

14 posted on 12/07/2016 3:48:22 PM PST by Maceman (Screw the Party. Save the Country.)
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Leave it to CNN to attack the US on the 7th of December.


15 posted on 12/07/2016 3:49:44 PM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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Something else liberals ignore from World War 2 - when Germans arrived in plain clothes intent on guerilla warfare and sabotage, we captured them and executed them per the Geneva Convention rules.
You have to wear a uniform, have a clear chain of command and try to minimize atrocities on civilians to get protection as a prisoner of war. Target civilians en mass, commit war crimes, dress up like the average person and go for sabotage - we can kill you.

WORLD WAR 2 PROVES WE HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO EXECUTE TERRORISTS.


16 posted on 12/07/2016 3:50:18 PM PST by tbw2
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Michelle Malkin wrote an excellent book on the same subject, 'A Case for Internment', that presented angles that I had not heard previously. Perhaps similar to what was written in 'Magic'.
Trying to play 'Monday Morning' quarterback, from the comfort of American society some 40 - 50+ years after the war, and asking why those who just had their Pacific Fleet basically destroyed in one day (and the fall of the Philippines, shortly afterward) could have acted the way that they did - is the epitome of moronic arrogance.

17 posted on 12/07/2016 3:55:40 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Of course there was fear after Pearl Harbor.

Task Force 8, commanded by Adm. Halsey, were the only ships prepared to defend the Western Pacific.

Task Force 8 consisted of the carrier USS Enterprise, 3 cruisers and 9 destroyers.

The Japanese Fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor consisted of 6 carriers, 2 battleships, 3 cruisers, 9 destroyers, and 23 submarines.

The Japanese Fleet could have cruised up and done the West Coast destroying city and city. Or worse, destroying the Panama Canal locks.


18 posted on 12/07/2016 4:01:45 PM PST by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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Fat Man & Little Boy - 4EVA!!!


19 posted on 12/07/2016 4:04:21 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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Similar to most Muslims (around the world) today, the loyalties of most Japanese (around the world) 75 years ago lied elsewhere for religious reason.

The religion of the Japanese then was Shinto-Budism, a religion that holds the the Emperor of Japan to be a God - who required absolute allegiance and obedience. Today's PC media and education institutions censor the fact that most Japanese homes had a small Shinto-Budist shrine/alter where the family would pray and declare devotion to the Emperor.

That's the unavoidable reason why yesterday's equivalent of Islam's suicide bombers were Japan's Kamikazes.

20 posted on 12/07/2016 4:05:34 PM PST by drpix
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