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1 posted on 12/05/2016 5:58:49 AM PST by ExpatCanuck
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Liberalism had a hand in it but nobody forced those people on a bus to be transported to that death trap.


2 posted on 12/05/2016 6:00:45 AM PST by pgkdan (The Silent Majority Stands With TRUMP!)
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I would say the venue, participant worldview and laxity of enforcement had something to do with liberalism but that has nothing to do with the magnitude of tragedy and grief suffered.


5 posted on 12/05/2016 6:07:36 AM PST by yetidog
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I don’t think it’s helpful to bring ideology into this situation.

This is a human tragedy.


7 posted on 12/05/2016 6:09:14 AM PST by Steely Tom ([VOTE FRAUD] == [CIVIL WAR])
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City and fire officials ignored numerous violations...

I'm curious: do you actually have evidence that city officials ignored violations?

8 posted on 12/05/2016 6:11:07 AM PST by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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Any update on the Cambridge fire? I can’t find anything about it in either The Times or the NY Post.


9 posted on 12/05/2016 6:14:44 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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Lawlessness kills.


13 posted on 12/05/2016 6:17:55 AM PST by Califreak (All Alinsky All The Time)
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I think that is a fair assessment.

I used to be a real estate agent on Mercer Island (rich people enclave near Seattle). It used to be more humble because it was rather difficult to get there.

There was a time, six or 8 decades ago, where the building inspector could be bought off with a bottle of whisky, it is said. It comes up every time we do an inspection on a house from that period. The violations are rife.

i.e. I think you are right.


14 posted on 12/05/2016 6:18:02 AM PST by Mr. Douglas (Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
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People need to watch the press conferences on this. They are strange and disturbing. Yesterday, the Mayor took time to say how important it is to have free-wheeling places for artists to gather and create. Behind her, were several people of indeterminate sex (looked to be male to female transgenders). The people in charge of police, fire & the City itself all seemed to be chosen for their demographic value, not their competency.


16 posted on 12/05/2016 6:19:54 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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It is important to do an analysis of the situation that led up to the tragedy, in order to prevent recurrence.


18 posted on 12/05/2016 6:22:13 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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It’s so ironic that the liberals keep pushing regulation after regulation, and the same liberals died from ignoring regulations. Cutters on a much larger scale.


27 posted on 12/05/2016 6:29:00 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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Libs have big mouths when it comes to spouting nonsense politics, but are mum when it comes to doing things illegally or using common sense.


29 posted on 12/05/2016 6:31:24 AM PST by jetson
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Of course it.


31 posted on 12/05/2016 6:32:11 AM PST by Fai Mao (PIAPS for Prison 2016)
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The landlord is a minority. Just sayin’...


33 posted on 12/05/2016 6:33:54 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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Ultimately, liberalism murders everything.


35 posted on 12/05/2016 6:36:32 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?.)
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That wasn’t a Warehouse, it was a fort.


37 posted on 12/05/2016 6:37:18 AM PST by jetson
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No. Most likely Oakland’s Fire Marshall and Building Official get complaints every day on hundreds of buildings for suspected code violations. I don’t know their staffing numbers but it would not surprise me if it was inadequate for investigating all complaints in a timely manner. It may also be they believed the building was not occupied full time it was not given the priority it should have been. It could be that higher ups thought coming down hard on the place would be a community relations nightmare, but I doubt it based on neighbors complaints.

What should have happened is simple. The fire inspector should have done an inspection seen the hazards and ordered an immediate shut down specifying what would have to be done before it was allowed to open again. I have no idea if the owner ever had permission to use the building for an artists’ space rather than a warehouse. If they did somebody goofed up. If not it should have been ordered to cease and desist when officials were first presented with evidence of the change.

We have building and life safety and fire prevention codes for a very good reason. Enforcing them is one thing that officials should not apologize for.


40 posted on 12/05/2016 6:42:26 AM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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Fire killed them. They were in the fire because of their own decision to pursue entertainment in a dangerous building.


44 posted on 12/05/2016 6:45:30 AM PST by Tax-chick (Nations commit self-extinction one free, personal choice at a time.)
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Yeah.

It was probably a sacrifice to Moloch, one way or another.


45 posted on 12/05/2016 6:50:59 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Liberals everywhere, from the Mayor and City Council to firetrap investigators, the police, fire department and that speechless idiot they’ve made fire (PC) chief.

Yes, liberalism killed them.


54 posted on 12/05/2016 7:19:53 AM PST by onedoug
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Did Liberalism Kill Those in the Oakland Warehouse Fire?

Absolutely, Positively YES!!!

55 posted on 12/05/2016 7:23:01 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
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