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John F. Kennedy, a kid from the Bronx and a moment in time -
http://aleteia.org ^ | 11/22/2016 | Larry Peterson

Posted on 11/22/2016 9:26:15 AM PST by heterosupremacist

“The president is dead.” For those of us who can remember those words from 50 years ago, they are seared into our brains like letters sand-blasted into a granite headstone forever: clear, succinct, and unmistakable in meaning. How could this be? Things like this did not happen, especially in the America of 1963. But then a few days later, John-John, in his little top coat and short pants, saluted as the caisson went by holding his dad’s body covered by our flag. It was real all right, no doubt about it.

I had a personal connection to John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Just like the moment when I heard of his death, these moment(s) are also seared into my brain, and the memories of them are as clear and vivid as if they happened 10 minutes ago. The only difference is these are my moments with JFK. No one else ever had these moments, just me and the 35th president of the United States. Let us go back to November 5, 1960.

The most famous hotel in the Bronx was the Concourse Plaza Hotel on the corner of 161st Street and the Grand Concourse. Built in 1922, it was an elegant 12-story hotel three blocks from Yankee Stadium. Many of the Yankees had stayed there, including Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, and others. On Saturday, November 5, 1960, Senator John F. Kennedy was to deliver a campaign speech at the hotel. His fateful election to the presidency was now only four days away.

I had an after-school job delivering groceries and stocking shelves for Harry “the Grocer.” I worked for Harry every day after school until 6 p.m. and on Saturdays from 10 a.m. until 6 p.m., and frequently delivered to the Plaza.

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To: Sans-Culotte

“I used to be into all the conspiracy theories. It’s kind of fun to feel you have gleaned some secret knowledge that the rest of the public does not know about. I now believe Oswald acted alone. There is a great deal of evidence to support that he did, and only a bunch of half-baked theories that someone else did it.”
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I think a big part of the problem is the two government investigations didn’t do the job they could/should have. That leaves the government with 2 conflicting official conclusions; from Warren, that Oswald acted alone. From the House Select investigation, that it was probably a conspiracy.


21 posted on 11/22/2016 10:13:02 AM PST by LouieFisk
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To: LouieFisk
Agent Hickey reached for his AR-15 shortly after Oswald's shot at Kennedy. Hickey acquired Oswald's location in the Book depository and was turning towards the target when the car lurched forward and he accidentally pulled the trigger.

The investigation set out to cover up the fact it was the SS that killed Kennedy, although some medical professionals believe Oswald's shot to Kennedy's neck was paralyzing and fatal in and of itself.

22 posted on 11/22/2016 10:14:32 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America ((Some of you characterized my FReep name as 'paranoid' a few years back.. Care to apologize now?))
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To: mlo

Debunked by the Secret Service.. NATURALLY.


23 posted on 11/22/2016 10:16:00 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America ((Some of you characterized my FReep name as 'paranoid' a few years back.. Care to apologize now?))
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To: heterosupremacist

Anyone who still believes the Kennedy Assassination was due to a high level conspiracy ala Oliver Stone’s nutty movie, please read the book “Case Closed” by Gerald Posner. It is a landmark book that was meticulously researched, and every rumor and conspiracy allegation was thoroughly debunked.

JFK was assassinated by a nutcase/loser, a nobody, acting alone, and that is the sad truth of history. Subsequent books by Vincent Bugliosi and Bill O’Reilly (also very well—researched) came to the same conclusion. The much maligned Warren Commission came to the same conclusion for the same reasons based on the same evidence: Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.


24 posted on 11/22/2016 10:18:48 AM PST by RooRoobird20 ("Democrats haven't been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.")
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

“Agent Hickey reached for his AR-15 shortly after Oswald’s shot at Kennedy. Hickey acquired Oswald’s location in the Book depository and was turning towards the target when the car lurched forward”
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What is your source for that claim - Warren, the House Select investigation or ?


25 posted on 11/22/2016 10:20:17 AM PST by LouieFisk
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To: Jim 0216

I hear ya’.


26 posted on 11/22/2016 10:20:50 AM PST by Bigg Red (To Thee, O Lord, I lift my soul. Thank you for saving our Republic.)
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To: Az Joe; heterosupremacist
Oswald did it, alone.

I remember the very day up in Ontario, Canada. I also have done some extensive reading on the events. What for me is convincing about the guilt of Oswald is to imagine oneself as a working class employee in that building Was working class myself. .

Shots are fired from the Dealey Plaza. Oswald is up on the fourth floor packing books. So he comes down to the entrance of the building. The police come crowding in. There is an excited buzz from the employees. Oswald calmly draws a can of pop from the dispensing machine. He does not say a word. The police ask " who is that guy".

An employee says " Oh he works here. The police go upstairs. Oswald calmly walks out into the street. He goes into a shoe store, not really seriously buying. I know that an innocent employee would have been asking about the police being in the building. He would have hung around with the others. He knew just what the police were looking for.

Excuse the ramble.

27 posted on 11/22/2016 10:21:11 AM PST by Peter Libra
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To: fella

“The Salute appears to have been rehearsed and given on cue. Who does that?”
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Yes, it was planned - by Jackie, as were most of the funereal-related details. I don’t see anything wrong with it at all. Your mileage may vary on that, tho.


28 posted on 11/22/2016 10:24:00 AM PST by LouieFisk
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

One shot came from behind the wall atop the grassy knoll-—witnesses saw a puff of smoke-—and the shooter dropped down into the manhole, pulled the cover closed, and escaped thru the underground storm drains.

That would explain why motorcycle cop Bobby Hargis ran up there, looked around, and didn’t see anybody. He didn’t look down. There is a manhole cover. right. there.

Another shot **may** have come from an underground shooter firing upward from the storm drain in the curb, to the left and slightly ahead of the motorcade. If so, that shooter also escaped thru underground drainage pipes.

If you stand on the right hand curb and look toward the second green X painted on the street to mark the head shot, the angle is perfect for the two above mentioned shooters.

The magic bullet that wounded both JFK and Connolly, marked by the first green X, came from Oswald’s general direction, but could also have originated from another building.
It’s hard to tell, because the “assassin’s perch” in the Sixth Floor Museum is roped off. Visitors inside are not allowed to get close enough to the window to look out onto the street. But if you’re standing on the street, on either one of the X’s and looking up at the sixth floor window, the angle seems almost impossible.

I went to Dealey Plaza, and that’s my theory. I believe the green X’s may have since been painted over.


29 posted on 11/22/2016 10:36:25 AM PST by mumblypeg (They've summoned up a thundercloud/ and they're going to hear from me. (Anthem-Leonard Cohen))
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
"Debunked by the Secret Service.. NATURALLY."

No. As I said, it's a silly idea not supported by the evidence. It's not just the Secret Service saying no.

30 posted on 11/22/2016 10:37:49 AM PST by mlo
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To: mumblypeg

I’ve heard about the accessible storm drain at the curb, and that is also a plausible theory.


31 posted on 11/22/2016 10:46:46 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America ((Some of you characterized my FReep name as 'paranoid' a few years back.. Care to apologize now?))
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To: Jim 0216

John wasn’t as liberal as Bobby, and Bobby wasn’t as liberal as Teddy.


32 posted on 11/22/2016 11:17:23 AM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: heterosupremacist

JFK’s assassination also killed any chance the Republicans might have had to win the 1964 election.

He and Goldwater were going to remake campaigning — doing a whistle-stop tour together, with President Kennedy coming out to talk about an issue at one stop and Senator Goldwater rebutting him, then reversing the order at the next stop.


33 posted on 11/22/2016 11:23:31 AM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Jim 0216

I had just turned three years old and even I remember lots of things from that day - weird.

I remember when I was older and first learned of my dad’s hatred of JFK. I asked him - “How can that be - he was assassinated?”

He explained as best he could to a sixth-grader how he was a womanizer and bad for our country.

“Yep - he was almost as bad as FDR.”

“But dad - he won WWII!”

I got another earful where he set me straight. (Dad was a WWII vet).


34 posted on 11/22/2016 11:30:07 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: TBP

It’s a continuum. Teddy and the Dems didn’t start out as Leftist as he/they ended up. Neither did Bobby. JFK was on his way.


35 posted on 11/22/2016 11:40:18 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
a Leftist “live-for-your-government” line if I’ve ever heard one.

Not trying to be a smart a$$, (& I do agree with your statement) but JUST in case you might want to know, the "...ask what you can do for your country," was like all DemocRAT idea's, a rip-off of someone / or thing, in this case, the school motto, that J.F.K. attended. I forget which, high school, or college.

36 posted on 11/22/2016 10:55:01 PM PST by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Call me crazy, but I still believe it was a SS agent who ACCIDENTALLY fired that explosive head shot with his AR-15 from the chase car.

Then why did LHO find it necessary to assassinate Officer Tippit?

37 posted on 11/22/2016 11:02:48 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Most conspiracy theories are bogus, the SS agent (either Greer in the Limo) or in the follow up car could not have shot JFK without other SS agents or bystanders seeing it.

It is as absurd as the Umbrella man or Sewer man.

The SS agents pulled out their rifles only after JFK was hit and dead on the way to Parkland.

Try to focus on LHO, his life, his travels, his claims and his recruitments.

38 posted on 11/22/2016 11:15:12 PM PST by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.)
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To: Stanwood_Dave

Didn’t know that, but I know he and his siblings grew up with his dad drilling this into him as well. But his dad was a ruling elite kind of guy.


39 posted on 11/23/2016 7:27:24 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: Gaffer
Call me crazy but “just a kid from the Bronx” crap is BS. It’s like Al Gore growing up in his daddy’s hotel suite in the Fairfax hotel in DC is ghetto all of a sudden or something.

The "kid from the Bronx" refers to the author of the article. JFK was born in Massachusetts.

40 posted on 11/23/2016 3:54:22 PM PST by EveningStar
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