Posted on 11/12/2016 4:20:06 PM PST by MagillaX
Looks like Ambassador Bolton is trying to promote himself for a position in Trump's cabinet. He is a Bush guy and one of the so called geniuses that got it wrong No way should he be in consideration
Thoughtomator, I appreciate your take on things. If the Arab Spring had not transpired direct preceding the actions in Syria, you might have a great case there. As it is, you don’t.
The Arab Spring sprung up in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria. It moved in that order and governments were toppled in three of them moving in the direction of Syria.
Syrians started an effort to topple their own government. The United States government led by Obama and Clinton and heavily influenced by McCain and Graham, bought in.
They armed and financed efforts in Libya that spilled over into Egypt by plan or by accident.
While pipelines exist in Syria, the rebels (terrorists or whatever) in Eastern Syria were focused on the Syrian government and overthrowing it.
They were no more interested in the pipelines than those in Tunisia, Libya, or Egypt were.
I don’t think the leadership inside and outside of the Obama administration were any more focused on those pipelines than they were when they decided to back efforts in Libya or in Egypt. They wanted regime change(s).
Leftists don’t have a grasp of global politics. Syria had been an enemy of the U. S. for a long time due to it’s agreements with Russia, but that was mostly on paper. Assad wasn’t seeking to do harm to the U. S. or Christians within his nation. There was no need to overturn his government, but to Obama, Clinton, McCain, and Graham, this was a wonderful, dreams of heroism based on long term differences with the House of Assad.
It was an idiot’s move to join the efforts in Syria. It was known we were financing and supplying arms to al Qaeda there. This was an absolute disaster waiting to happen. It did. ISIS sprung out from this group and the rest is history. Obama and company destabilized the region again. Every Leftist group that gets in does this. Carter, Clinton, and now Obama had done their duty. They supported the destructive Arab cause. We are just lucky that Clinton’s support for Arafat didn’t materialize beyond suicide bombings in Israel, as bad as that was.
Trump will disengage and probably explain that we should never been there in Syria in the first place. He will be right to do so.
What countries have been affected by the Arab Spring?
The Arab Spring has resulted in rulers being ousted in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen;
civil uprisings in Bahrain and Syria;
major protests in Algeria, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, and Oman;
minor protests in Lebanon, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Western Sahara.
Pipelines were not the driving force in Syria. Regime change was.
This is how they overthrow countries covertly - they foster a domestic opposition and escalate until "regime change". Some regimes hold on harder than others. But there's nothing at all organic about this.
They're attempting this right now in the US, with these paid-for domestic riots, Clinton and Soros, with the intention of having a "Purple Revolution" here.
I think the Iraq war was a mistake, and I thought so at the time, hence I figured Bolton for a neocon. I trust Trumps judgement so if he is OK with Bolton so am I.
I’ll take you word for it the Bolton is more of a Reagan Republican than a neocon since I have not closely followed him.
I remember clearly the chronological order of events in Tunisia and Libya. The uprisings started before Clinton, McCain, and Graham called for supporting them.
While your premise is sound when you talk of these uprisings and the methods used, this wasn’t started by Clinton.
These uprisings occurred like a wave crossing the region, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria, with the other nations I mentioned where the wave didn’t capsize the governments.
Please note we did not finance all these regions. The Arab Spring was not a Clinton contrivance. It was a radical Arab contrivance. We were just stupid enough to join in.
As for this being the tactics used here in the U. S., I don’t think you’re far off base there at all, and we know they are being finances by Soros and company.
If you can find Soros involvement in the early days of the Arab Spring in Tunisia, you may score a coup there revealing what the driving force was. He is a known international instrument of destabilization.
He may have gotten the ball rolling. Our government may have simply fallen in later.
John Bolton is a damned lunatic.
See: NY Times op-ed 3/26/2015
I might tend to agree with that sentiment had we, strike that, had I not greatly contributed to the leadership vacuum that allowed ISIS to spring up in the first place. Régime change from outside (nation building) is bad policy. Using our former failures in nation building to justify more of the same is misguided lunacy. I’m
Just my opinion, of course.
Anything Bolton can do KT McFarland can do just as well. I hope Trump choses her for SOS.
Thanks for the response.
I don’t have time to bore into this full tilt today.
It seems to me that we slant things against our own cause at times, with well intended analysis.
I’m not convinced that analysis is always right or in alignment with our best interests.
I know folks mean well, but sometimes I think they miss the larger picture.
I can too, so who knows...
And preceding all that are extremely large financial donations from Saudi and Qatar to the Clinton Foundation.
None of those revolutions were natural or coincidence. Clinton/Soros/Saudi mischief is all over them. It’s standard M.O. in the modern playbook of how to overthrow a government.
Let me know when you’ve got a source for the Soros Tunisia connection.
Until then this is conjecture on your part.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3493425/posts?page=142#142
What countries have been affected by the Arab Spring?
The Arab Spring has resulted in rulers being ousted in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen;
civil uprisings in Bahrain and Syria;
major protests in Algeria, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, and Oman;
minor protests in Lebanon, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Western Sahara.
Pipelines were not the driving force in Syria. Regime change was.
I admit, my perspective may be misaligned.
I know you’re busy, but wanted to say that although we occasionally disagree, I respect your opinions and your ability to articulate them clearly.
Hugh out.
I appreciate your note. I just has plans and had to leave. I’m no busier than anyone else.
Take care.
Thank you for the nice comments. I appreciated them.
Nice snag. Working hand in hand with Soros, and I’m talking McCain as well as Hillary, this could be why the U. S. jumped in with both feet into Libya.
I appreciate the link.
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