Posted on 11/11/2016 9:25:12 AM PST by fwdude
Since the campaigns are over and electioneering can cease, let's take a realistic look as the lay of the land and understand what is likely to occur under Trump's administration and what is not likely.
Indeed, Obamacare repeal legislation has been floated numerous times by the Republican House over the past several years, only to find an unwilling Senate or Executive roadblock to kill all possibility. I contend that we are in a similar situation now.
A perilously bare "R" majority in the senate will be the death knell for any repeal for at least the next two years. Democrats will form a monolithic bloc of opposition to any repeal, and the remaining RINO's will insist on meaningless tweaking of the current law before they'll sign their names to any legislation, but won't go for an outright repeal. So, the senate remains a roadblock.
If I'm missing anything in this analysis, let me know. I'm just a realist who doesn't see a way forward, especially with the raw hatred of the left aimed straight at America.
He should open with a hearty, "It's time to get to work!"
McConnell has already given the Dems a heads up. There will be no nuclear option. But if they passed it with a simple majority and send it to Congress and Trump to sign it, won’t that be sufficient?
Get a clue.
Thank you, for your thoughfully reasoned comment. Yes, you are absolutely correct, this bill was crafted to send tentacles into every conceivable corner of our economy and society. It affects both fiscal and personal/social issues intimately. Any change or repeal will cause disruption (i.e. pain) in at least one, most likely many, parts of the system, and some contingent will then capitalize on it with manufactured stories from the eneMedia.
It will NOT be easy, like a lot of commenting FReepers think it will. A massive ship cannot be turned on a dime.
You may be right IF there is a viable alternative proposed that would be popular with their constituency. Just repealing Obamacare without replacing it will likely fail, imo.
(and the alternative will most certainly need to be based on free market principles to the maximum extent possible which by definition will have to remove the federal government from the equation)
Perhaps the Trump administration will be able to propose a plan that even the people in blue states would support, and Trump can exhibit his negotiation skills in getting it through Congress. He would need to use the bully pulpit to sell the populace on his plan (similar to how Reagan went directly to the people) and counter the misinformation tactics of the Left in the MSM.
Bingo. Those MFers know this is a turdburger.
Last ditch Trump can EO it to death.
The veracity of your report would be the identity of your Congress Critter. After all, they never lie, do they?
Yeah right. Trump will just smile and say “Okay Paul whatever you say” PLEEEEEEEEEZE!!! Go away.
I'd like him to read the names of all the incompetents on both sides of the aisle, and then tell them "You're Fired!"
First, it can be completely gutted by the order of the Secretary of Health and human services, who can direct who gets a waiver, without limitation.
Second, all but a handful of aspects of it can be repealed in a budget reconciliation.
The filibuster is a non-issue. We don't need sixty votes. That is nothing more than obstructionist sophistry.
Yes. That is exactly what I was thinking. The poster does not really understand this. The pubs have said this numerous times. This will be done in the first 100 days.
0bamacare isn't going to be repealed that way: it's a tax measure, as John Roberts told us. It was passed as a budget reconciliation measure, which is not subject to the filibuster, and it can be repealed in EXACTLY the same way, as part of the budget.
The obstructionists will be in the Senate.
Even Linda Graham is on board to kill Obamacare. So I think it will be gone.
NOT ONE Republican voted for 0bamacare. This "All Republicans are RINOS" crap needs to stop.
I guess you missed the announcement that Congress plans to repeal Ocare through budget reconciliation in the first 100 days.
Loser.
1. obmacare is going to soon completely collapse unless SOMETHING is done and both the Pubs and Dems know this.
2. If the Dems obstruct all Pub attempts to fix it, then it fails and they get the blame for both imposing obamacare (without a single Pub vote) to start with AND the blame for its failure by obstructing its fix.
3. Trump owns ALL of the carrots and all of the sticks that will be brought to the negotiating table. The sticks are blaming the Dems for obamacare’s failure and the threat of simply defunding it, which is possible because funding bills are filibuster-proof in the Senate. The carrot is that the Dems could share some of the credit for the fix, because Trump will more focused on achieving results than sharing some of the credit. Sharing credit also demonstrates that Pubs (unlike Dems) CAN act in a bipartisan manner, something that most of the people in our country have been begging for. Results also show Pubs can break the D.C. logjam AND accomplish good things for our people.
4. Trump is a master negotiator and deal maker; he’ll look for win-win results. Trump is smart enough to know a big reason obamacare failed was because it was not bipartisan and will avoid that particular mistake. Oh, and with Trump, bipartisan won’t be a dirty word that means the Pubs bend over and take in in rear: there’s a new Sheriff in town, and that Sheriff is a master at getting a good deal.
He gets things done, however they need to get done. Where you insurmountable obstacles he sees challenges with opportunities. So you really don’t get it or him after all. That’s ok, just sit back and enjoy the show.
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