Posted on 10/23/2016 10:07:57 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy
Though not in the habit of posting vanities, I am in dire need of help from FReepers today! I'm in a heated debate with some people who are unsure who they will vote for.
They contend that the Benghazi tragedy happened because the Republican congress cut funding for embassy security and so Hillary is innocent. I mistakenly mentioned a stand-down order and was told thee was no such thing. Not wanting an argument about that much debated issue to cloud the real issue, Hillary, I need help explaining why she was to blame.
Please help.... I'm listening
Clinton could not have ordered it. The only person who could have cancelled an in extremis operation is the President himself.
Having one or two more security personnel per embassy and consulate would have made no difference. We had resources sufficient to the challenge. A ready reaction force. It was kept on the tarmac as the State Department debated the optics of sending in an American force.
The real issue of Benghazi is truly alarming. We now know via wikileaks what we had suspected all along. The State Department was running weapons from Libya via Qater to Al Qaida in Syria. The Ambassador was involved because these weapons included shoulder-fired anti-aircraft weapons that could be used against civilian airplanes. We were o.k. with arming Al Qaida, but not with those weapons. So, the Ambassador was supposed to fix this mess up.
Begs the question on why they were there in the first place. All other nations and the Red Cross had removed their personnel from Libya because it was considered unsafe for any diplomatic mission.
Amb. Stevens requests for more security only serves to underscore what every other nation thought. Libya was not safe for diplomats.
Amb. Stevens was there solely to oversee the transfer of arms from Libya to Syrian rebels.....rebels that soon thereafter became ISIS!
Hillary let Americans die, because to go save them, would have made Obummer look like a foreign policy failure just before the 2012 election. O’Muslim needed to maintain the lie about what a success his foreign policy was. This is why they used the lie about the attack being spontaneous and about a video. Spontaneous rioters don’t have Rocket Propelled Grenades, among other high level weapons used.
It was all a lie and a sham to protect Barry before the 2012 election.
Simple.
Exactly. That extremely valid point usually gets lost in the narrative.
The administration and hiLIARy lied about Benghazi on the eve of the election to protect zero. They LIED to our faces to protect him.
Treason.
There may not have technically been a ‘stand down’ order, but there was never a ‘go’ order which amounts to the same thing. Forces had prepared to cross borders but weren’t allowed to, so the lack of a ‘go’ order resulted in those forces standing down. It was her responsibility to get that order from the president.
As for the inadequate security funds arguement, it was Hillary’s job to protect that facility. If she knew she couldn’t, she had the obligation and ability to SHUT IT DOWN.
She doles out excuses like she was some low-level lackey just watching classified emails and warnings about lax security go by. She was the CEO of the state dept for God’s sake. She simply did not know how to do her job!
And now she wants a tougher one.
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Go back and look at Tig and the other's interview with Bret Baier from last year.
I think they all referred to it.
There is nothing you can TELL these “undecided voters” (who aren’t really undecided) to change their minds. Just torture them by making them answer questions, such as:
1) What do you think the purpose of the the Benghazi Diplomatic Mission was?
2) What did Hillary say it was? (Hillary’s State Dept claims the purpose of the Benghazi Diplomatic Mission was to have a library with books for children.)
3) If Congress cut funding for security, did Hillary and the State Dept know it, or was that a secret?
4) Why did Hillary risk lives to open an unnecessary reading room without having all resources in place beforehand, including proper security?
5) Had the British and other westerners already been attacked, and driven out of Benghazi by Islamist militias, before our mission was attacked?
6) Why, knowing this, and presumably knowing she had no security resources to devote, didn’t Hillary pull the plug on her “reading room”?
7) Why didn’t the Secretary of State have sufficient clout to have Obama procure a cross-border authorization so that US forces could enter Libya to rescue her personnel?
8) Should a Secretary of State have sufficient foresight to anticipate problems and solutions, when conducting adventures in a foreign land torn by civil war, in which the US had taken sides and was not exactly loved?
9) Did Hillary email her daughter Chelsea and tell her that the attack was an act of terrorism, not a blasphemous video trailer? Did she simultaneously grovel before the world, and send surrogates to lie to the American public, blaming the attack on blasphemous video trailer?.
Your pals know the answers. If necessary, waterboard ‘em.
They will do anything to win an election. Even kill.
Many years ago, Milwaukee radio host Mark Belling (subs for Rush) said this, when dealing with liberals you must always remember that at their core, they believe abortion is perfectly fine without any remorse or reservations in that thinking.
This is why any lesser crime never bothers them.
They sleep well at night no matter what they do when awake.
HildaBeast showed this at the last debate when proudly sticking up for partial birth abortion.
I could just see her evil insides as she spoke about that.
What kind of evil person can talk about that being a “right”.
Just sickening.
From conception to birth, it’s a person, a little helpless person.
And they want to kill the little helpless person.
Hillary just thinks of the dead Americans in Benghazi as very late term abortions.
There was no embassy in Benghazi. The U.S. embassy in Libya is -- and always has been -- located in Tripoli, the capital of Libya. Security at U.S. embassies is provided by the U.S. Marine Corps, not private contractors.
The facility in Benghazi was a consulate, not an embassy. A consulate usually functions in a support role for visitors and business dealings, not in a diplomatic role. It is unusual for an ambassador to be working in a consulate, especially with a group of private security contractors instead of U.S. Marines. As a result, I think it is safe to say that "Ambassador" Stevens wasn't really an ambassador at all -- but was part of a covert operation that had nothing to do with a diplomatic mission.
Hillary bragged about flying nearly one million miles as Secretary of State. The cost of that travel has to be in the 100s of millions of dollars. If the State Department was hurting for cash, she could have economized on travel: took military hops, slept on cots in embassy dining rooms, ate take-out, etc.
11) How would you feel if your child was murdered and someone repeatedly lied to you about why he was murdered?
Hillary Clinton on State Dept. budget for FY 2012.
FY 2012 Budget Request March 10, 2011"The second part of our request funds the extraordinary, temporary portion of our war effort the same way the Pentagon’s request is funded: in a separate Overseas Contingency Operations account known as OCO. Instead of covering war expenses through supplemental appropriations, we are now taking a more transparent approach that fully reflects the integrated civilian-military efforts. Our share of the President’s $126 billion request for exceptional wartime costs is $8.7 billion. So all told, we have a $47 billion operational account and an $8.7 billion Overseas Contingency Operations account."
(snip)
"But let me just quickly walk you through this, because on this issue of our $8.7 billion Overseas Contingency Operations, we have the strongest support from Secretary Gates, from Admiral Mullen. And next week – I was speaking with General Petraeus last night. He will be here on the Hill strongly supporting the civilian effort that goes hand-in-hand with what he is doing so heroically in Afghanistan. So we are funding vital civilian missions in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq with this $8.7 billion."
Now that you've seen the budget you can ask why only $250,000 dollars was allocated for security in Benghazi, why was some private British contractor hired to provide it and why were they allowed to hire the February 17th Martyr's Brigade (with Al Qaeda ties) to be the manpower?
“Hillary chose to skimp on the hottest hotbed in the Middle East. “
She should’ve cut back in places like Bermuda, Canada, the Azores, etc...
Blow-by-Blow: How Obama & Hillary Left Americans to DieNordstrom further testified in writing that Hillary Clinton waived security requirements for the Benghazi consulate despite high and critical threat levels in the six categories of security standards established under the Overseas Security Policy Board and the Secure Embassy Construction and Counterterrorism Act of 1999.
The waiver can only be authorized by the Secretary of State, who cannot delegate that responsibility to someone else. ”If the Secretary of State did not waive these requirements, who did so by ordering occupancy of the facilities in Benghazi and Tripoli?” Nordstrom wrote.
State Dept. Rules of Engagement Kept Marines out of Tripoli, Benghazi in LibyaCaptain Kendra Motz, Marine Corps spokesman, told Breitbart News on Friday that she wasn't aware that the Marine Corps had issued a formal statement, but that the information included in the Powerline report was correct.
"The Marine Corps does not have any Marines stationed at diplomatic installations in Libya."When asked if she knew of the existence of the document outlining the State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya, she stated:
"I don't, and even if I did I couldn't disclose it to you because it puts people at risk."The 50 Marines that were rushed to Libya after the murder of Ambassador Stevens are not permanently stationed at any diplomatic installation in Libya.
Keep in mind that a detachment of Marines would be funded out of the DoD budget not the State Dept. budget.
No funding issues.
This was in fact explicitly confirmed by State Dept. personnel during the Benghazi hearings. I remember watching it. I'll bet it's on You Tube somewhere -- maybe some helpful FReeper can supply a link (which is the sort of thing I think the orig. poster is looking for.) I'd search myself, but I'm really only on FR this afternoon for a quick skim of what's going on... It's back out to my shop in a couple minutes.
See post #55.
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