[Talisker]

Thing about non-wild turkeys is that they are so stupid that it is about as hard to be cruel to them as it is to be cruel to an oak tree.

Nonsense. Cruelty is an aspect of the oppressor, not the victim. Throwing turkeys out of a plane is indefensible. In addition, yes, it's possible to be cruel to an oak tree. Here's an example - wait till spring and all the buds sprout on the tree, and then go snap them all off. That's cruel, period. Cruelty is intent.

[Mr. Douglas]

Here’s an example - wait till spring and all the buds sprout on the tree, and then go snap them all off. That’s cruel, period. Cruelty is intent.

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Sure, Pocahontas. Feel it’s pain! :-P

[Mr. Douglas]

Cruelty is an aspect of the oppressor, not the victim.

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For it to be that kind of cruelty, the oppressor has to believe that the “victim” is suffering.

I never took a sledge hammer to a car because I thought it would suffer. I never pulled the legs off a daddy longlegs as a kid because I thought it would suffer.

And my cats don’t skin and eat bunnies alive because they think the bunny will suffer.