Posted on 09/29/2016 1:16:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin
He ignored multiple instructions from an officer and “concealed his hand in his pants pockets,” Davis said. Olango paced back and forth as the officers talked to him, then “rapidly drew an object from his front pants pockets, placed both hands together on it and extended it rapidly toward [one] officer, taking what appeared to be a shooting stance,” the chief said.
Olango, he said, pointed the object at the officer’s face. Police said Wednesday evening that the object was a vape smoking device, which officers have recovered.
“The vape has an allsilver cylinder that is approximately 1” diameter and 3” long that was pointed toward the officer,” police said in a statement.
At that point, the other officer fired a Taser and the officer who had the object pointed at him fired his handgun, striking Olango. Davis declined to say the number of shots that were fired. No firearm was found at the scene.
After the shooting, officers provided first aid until paramedics arrived and took Olango to a hospital.
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An e-cig ... which he held as if it was a gun aimed at the cop. I swear these latest ones were done on purpose. It’s as if they want to be martyrs for BLM or something.
If that is an actual picture of the shooting then the police officer is completely exonerated.
So he suddenly decided he needed to “vape” while a cop was pointing a gun at him? Mmmmmhmmmmm....
Or, maybe people shouldn’t be belligerent and listen to the cops.
The more we coddle people the more they will push with their aggressive behavior.
How much room does one give a potentially deadly threat? You can't apprehend a dangerous perp from 100 feet away and if one opts to run and shoot a few citizens, then the cops also take the hit. How about laying some responsibilities on those who choose to become Darwin examples?
I saw the photo. My first thought was actually, "El Cajon and he's not an illegal? Amazing!"
As with all officer involved shootings I run my personal litmus test.
If one of our servicemen lit up an Iraqi, for pointing his pipe at him, would my trooper be up on charges?
In my mind, the ROE for our police force must be higher than our ROE for our men and women in combat. Just my .02.
To do so would be standing with the anti-Americans hellbent on destroying the ability of America's military to protect us abroad and destroying the ability of America's police to protect us at home!
I think it’s the other way around, to wit: “The boys in pants belted at mid butt need to get smarter when dealing with the boys in blue who represent our society”.
They need to quit dealing drugs, STFU in school classrooms, STFU when a cop is talking to them, and take condom classes to reduce the number of unwanted, unfathered “bastards” out there amongst the rest of us.
The ROE for our soldiers in combat has been cumbersome for quite some time, it is not new to this horrible administration. The ROE for our soldiers (in my lifetime) has basically ranged from from visual of weapon to actually being shot at before they could “defend” themselves. This in a combat zone mind you.
We now are seeing officer involved shootings where they are considered “justified” if there was a visual of a weapon or the “appearance” of a weapon. There are even some which are deemed “justified” due to finding a gun on the person after he is down (read no visual of weapon). And even a slight few deemed “justified” where the person “acted” in a way that made the officer think he might be trying to reach for something that might be a weapon.
We are on a very slippery slope when we offer American citizens less restraint than that we demand for the enemy in warfare.
As far as the police, they have a very important job with a major amount of trust levied to them by We The People. They are entrusted with the right to take away that which is most precious to an American citizen....their freedom. They must be held to a very high standard.
Now, this guy with the pipe. Middle of Iraq, you probably could have shot this guy, he certainly looked the part of aggressor with a weapon. I do not necessarily think this was a completely unjustifiable use of force.
I do though worry about the visual of weapon = justified. How are We The People supposed to exercise our God given right to bear arms, if visual of weapon is sufficient to use deadly force? It wasn’t more than 30 years ago that every truck had rifles hanging in the back window. I do not remember a load of citizens being shot by police back then. What has changed? Has policy changed? Has law enforcement teaching changed? Something has changed, and it is not for the better.
We are marching further and further away from that which our forefathers left us. We would do well to study those before us.
Yep that stance cost him his life. Suicide by Cop no doubt!
Mental state IMHO can supersede police authority and you just don’t know as a policeman what the mental state of the individual you are dealing with might be. Thus if you run into the drug addled or mental issue controlled individual either of whom may not be capable of responding as a “normal” human being might, you are immediately forced into a possible deadly force scenario. That is to be avoided at all costs even to the possible sacrifice of your own life. That is the only way. Police have NO authority to be judge jury and executioner and in those rare instance where they have placed themselves too close to a potential deadly force incident, they need to back off.
Unfortunately when the potential perp is dead the responsibility falls in the lap of the police shooter. Thousands of incidents daily don’t reach the level of deadly force, and most normal people respond appropriately when confronted by LE. I am talking only of a method to avoid the potential for deadly force when you have a combatant person who you have no idea what is driving them. They may not be in control of themselves and you need backup and a vet with a dart gun and tranquilizer rather than a bullet. Even a bean bag might be preferable. Now we are talking more money for equipment.
I’m saying the cops better figure out an option to deadly force or they are the ones who will pay the piper. I’ll repeat one point. In this case they were too close and put themselves in a deadly force situation with no out and a mentally unstable individual.
I think it’s the other way around, to wit: “The boys in pants belted at mid butt need to get smarter when dealing with the boys in blue who represent our society”.
On any given day that is the norm. I am talking mentally disturbed, drug addled folks black white blue or purple, not in control. You cannot solve those situations with deadly force or you will bring the judgement of society down on your head, and that is precisely where we are headed if we don’t figure it out.
Two axioms come to mind:
1. You can't fix stupid.
2. You can make most anything fool-proof but you can't make it damn-fool proof.
This was a case of a man acting as if he was armed and ready to shoot cops - while there may be after-the-fact solutions, one can't expect a cop to just stand there and wait for the bullet - or to allow a potential bullet being sent after regular civilians.
The sad thing is that we have gone from law and order to "give the bad guys some leeway to do damage. If we went back to the 'olden times" where looting/mayhem/arson/destruction of property were valid shoot situations, there would be a whole lot less of the terrible situations going on in fairly short order and more humane actions on others might become viable again.
Agree with a number of your points, on the other hand, Nuclear security is somewhat tied to fixing stupid and Fool Proof. Over perhaps 70 years our procedures have sustained an admirable safety record despite the number of weapons and the armed nineteen year olds on the front line of protection. The same can be done dealing with the public. Shooting situations should be reserved for submarines and the US Navy. Ok, there are going to be situations, but like abortion they should be few and far between. Just consider how that would work if the police were not carrying. In that case the good might suffer more than the bad.
Bottom line, killing of civilians unable to protect themselves, unrestricted swat assaults on the wrong address resulting in death, and all other deadly force incidents that need and can be avoided, must be or we face public outcry that will not go unanswered.
“I saw the photo. My first thought was actually, “El Cajon and he’s not an illegal? Amazing!”
Actually he is an illegal, he’s just not a Mexican illegal.
Alfred Okwera Loango is/was a Ugandan whom ICE attempted to deport twice with Uganda refusing to take him.
Yes Sir and I agree 90% with you. Where I lose you is this.
When a cop, not a rocket scientist himself or herself, and underpaid, and scared to fing death he/she is not going to go home that night encounters one of these “mentally ill” persons on the street it is a lot of the time too late, too dark, or too fast................the guy makes a quick move and bam! Or, the guy wants to die....bam! Or, the cop hinks he sees a gun and bam! Too often, after the perp is laying there bleeding out the cops discover it was a toy.
So, we my point to you is we NEVER are going to achieve Eutopia on the streets ergo the fng liberals are just using this issue to take guns away............they don’t give a damn about some poor black fatherless boy laying on the ground dead! They could care less! It’s all about CONTROL!
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