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Is Barack Hussein Obama a Naturalized Citizen?
The Post & Email ^ | 6/26/2016 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 06/27/2016 4:36:21 AM PDT by Elderberry

WHY THE NEED FOR BIRTH CERTIFICATE, SELECTIVE SERVICE FORGERIES?

On Saturday, former Colorado Representative Tom Tancredo authored an article published at Breitbart News in which he deplored that the Obama regime last year quietly provided a new option to naturalized citizens in their taking of the oath of allegiance.

“Under the Obama administration’s expansive interpretation of executive authority, legal immigrants seeking citizenship through the nation’s Naturalization process are now exempt from a key part of the Oath of Allegiance,” Tancredo began his piece, noting in the next paragraph that new U.S. citizens are no longer required to “bear arms on behalf of the United States.”

As a spinoff to Tancredo’s article, Newsmax on Sunday published its own piece entitled, “Secret Order Allows Immigrants to Opt Out of Defending America.”

Tancredo argued that while Congress remained silent when the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) made the “radical change” last July, termed “guidance” by the agency, it should have purview over the Oath of Allegiance and any changes that might be made.

Without any alternations, the oath reads:

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law;

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To: upchuck
What difference, at this point, does it make?

Because if it is proved in a Court of Law that he misrepresented his citizenship, it would give some future law enforcer a reason everyone would understand to order him hanged.

ML/NJ

21 posted on 06/27/2016 5:51:21 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Elderberry

It depends on the real meaning of Naturalizaton as intended by the Founders.

Their language was Middle English.

Its very possible Naturalizaton was limited to a kind. The same natural kind as the Founders.

“Yearnings to be with her own natural kind” William Wordsworth


22 posted on 06/27/2016 6:16:58 AM PDT by bushpilot2 (G)
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To: Elderberry

http://www.henrymakow.com/kgb_operation_barack_obama.html


23 posted on 06/27/2016 6:25:59 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Progress- the opposite of congress)
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The First Time I
Heard Of Barack

By Tom Fife
11-20-8
 
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.
 
V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.
 
One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.
 
As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.
 
The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:
 
"You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it."
 
The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.
 
"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."
 
The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.
 
"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"
 
The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."
 
It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."
 
"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That's right, a chocolate baby! And he's going to be your President."
 
She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."
 
We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.
 
She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.
 
She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."
 
At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.
 
Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."
 
She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.
 
So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?
 
Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.
 
Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.

24 posted on 06/27/2016 6:27:05 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Progress- the opposite of congress)
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To: Elderberry
After nearly 8 years are we still asking this question?

These last 8 years have proving one sad dictum:

THE TRUTH MEANS NOTHING

This would have made George Orwell proud.

President Obama is a fraud.
He played the Race card, the I am a black JFK card, the I am so darn cool card, the Nobel Peace Prize card and the most elitist (Hey I am one of you) Sophistry card.

He is highly intelligent and adept at dodging reality 24/7, 365 days/year.

He has done a superb job of doing what he promised he would do, namely, "Fundamentally transform" America and that he has done.

He has increased (spawned) turmoil, conflict and confusion both at home and abroad. Civil strife has reached new highs while foreign stability has been shattered.

Where was he born? Who were his parents? What is/was his religion? It matters little now as he leaves behind a trail of death, destruction and conflict on all fronts.

The American people voted for this fraud...twice, thus we all inherit the 4 Horsemen. He did not have that "Midas" touch so expounded upon in the first few weeks of his Presidency. Instead he has had the “Sadim” touch and we are all the worse off from his terms.

This slide will continue if Hilliary is elected and it looks like the Republican elites prefer Hilliary over Donald...fatal mistake, fatal. If Hilliary is elected, the Barbarians will be that much closer to overrunning our Athenian/Roman model.

25 posted on 06/27/2016 6:35:45 AM PDT by Netz
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To: mabarker1

If the planning went back that far, why did they have to throw together a cut and paste birth certificate that looks like a fake a mile away?


26 posted on 06/27/2016 6:36:52 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Elderberry

We know for sure ( his daddy) that he’s not a nbc. We do not know if he’s a citizen or not (fake pixelated photoshopped copies, and hidden immigration files, and hidden selective service records if any, and stolen social security numbers do not establish citizenship). Unfortunately, we all know his allegiance is not to USA ( to put it mildly).


27 posted on 06/27/2016 6:54:53 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: upchuck

Probably nothing today, but I would like to see President Trump open all of Obama’s records and we take it from there.

If he’s not, take away all the retirement perks of being being an ex-president.

Roll back all his rules.

Fire all his hires (should be done anyway).

Probably not enough popcorn in the world for that horror show.


28 posted on 06/27/2016 7:07:17 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Elderberry

When he leaves office and certain records are unsealed, a factual book will be written, describing the biggest fraud ever committed against the American people. All new dictionaries will include a picture of BHO next to the word “phony”.


29 posted on 06/27/2016 7:22:06 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Elderberry

He’s as much an Natural Born Citizen as Ted Cruz.


30 posted on 06/27/2016 7:24:00 AM PDT by Shanghai Dan
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To: Elderberry

At some point in the future the hidden records will be found and reveal the truth about Obama. My bet is he was never eligible to be POTUS having an Indonesian passport and being classified as an under graduate foreign student. Was he born in Kenya.. maybe. However, as Hillary said at this point what difference does it make. I will be happy to see him leave the White House and be relieved he didn’t stage a coup making himself dictator


31 posted on 06/27/2016 7:27:35 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Elderberry

No he’s not.

Everyone in the press carrying water for this marxist muslim America-hating faggot illegal alien needs to be held accountable.


32 posted on 06/27/2016 7:33:34 AM PDT by Electric Graffiti (DEPORT OBOLA VOTERS)
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To: Elderberry

I have seen no indication that the baby destroying our White House and our country today is the same baby who was allegedly born August 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii. He may well be a changeling, substituted because of what someone considered his good looks, or because he had a charisma that appealed to far left voters who want to be slaves. At this point it doesn’t matter. All that matters is repealing and dismantling every vestige of Obama’s evil legacy.


33 posted on 06/27/2016 7:34:43 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Elderberry

First his name is not “Barack Hussein Obama”


34 posted on 06/27/2016 7:49:45 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: upchuck

It matters very much.

“In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousand fold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.”

Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956


35 posted on 06/27/2016 8:00:35 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: butlerweave

If he ever became naturalized, it would have been using false identification so not valid anyway. Basically what you said.


36 posted on 06/27/2016 8:01:17 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Elderberry

No, see my quote from Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn above.


37 posted on 06/27/2016 8:02:06 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Shanghai Dan

That would be true if Zero’s life as presented in Ayers’ fictional book were true. Which it is not.


38 posted on 06/27/2016 8:03:04 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: faithhopecharity

His father in the myth is not his father, nor is his mother in the myth his mother.

Why else would he have a totally forged “birth certificate”?


39 posted on 06/27/2016 8:03:55 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Fantasywriter

Probably because whatever they had created at the time had something about it that didn’t match the current narrative.


40 posted on 06/27/2016 8:04:32 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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