Posted on 06/20/2016 9:06:58 PM PDT by sparklite2
What makes the new Chinese capability different is the combination of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) capability with long-range precision weapons. “The combination ubiquitous ISR, long-range precision strike weapons take that to the next level,” [Adm. John Richardson, the U.S. Navy’s chief of naval operations], said. “It demands a response.”
But the threat is not just contained in the South China Sea, Richardson said. The anti-ship ballistic missile threat is increasingly found around the world and will continue to proliferate. Indeed, the hermit kingdom of North Korea has apparently acquired anti-ship ballistic missile technology. As such, the Navy will have to get used to living with the threat of anti-ship ballistic missiles and other similar threats.
“I think that the proliferation of anti-ship ballistic missiles is just a fact of life we’re going to have to address,” Richardson said. “That fact that it’s in the hands of North Korea—a leader who has been less predictable than many others brings another dimension to that equation.”
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Anybody who thought that sh!t would work against a Battle Group surrounded with Arleigh Burke’s...just doesn’t understand.
What you said. +1,000.
I guess one concern would be that the Chinese get targeting coordinates from other than their own ISR - like traitors.
Then those missiles could deliver a barrage of nuclear warheads (they use the big multi-megaton types), coming in at mach 9.
A carrier is a beast of a weapon against a non technological enemy such as in the last two Gulf Wars. Against a sophisticated enemy it is dead meat, ours and theirs.
Hopefully, they will never be able to get targeting info through computer hacking,
...or through analyzing communications emissions,
...or through deploying a fenceline of covert passive sensors, or in some surprising way.
But then hope really isn’t a course of action.
“those missiles could deliver a barrage of nuclear warheads (they use the big multi-megaton types), coming in at mach 9.”
if they feel like starting a nuclear war.... then yeah. But then the loss of a carrier is small potatoes. That’s when a trident or two alone sends China back to the stone age. (roughly 70 years ago for them)
Yeahhhh,,,, except carriers and their battle groups have a very nasty habit of doing surprising and violent things. And though the USN is now taken over by Obamaites and will soon suffer the F-35 being inflicted on it, it still has decades of intense carrier experience.
A carrier battlegroup is no joke.
Doesn’t need to be nuclear, but a Mach 9 MIRV a few hundred 150 lb, 2” diameter by 6 foot long tungsten tipped rods coming down at 6000 MPH will shred just about anything. And there’s not much you can do with a destroyer screen to take out such tiny targets (about the size of two baseball bats, stacked end to end, moving at 1.6 miles per second.
That’s the big danger with ICBMs - you can use them for quick deployment of “rod of god” kinetic bombardment weapons. ICBM goes up, warhead orients, and out come the rods. Each with the equivalent energy of 600 cars moving at 60 MPH. Concentrated on a little 2” area. Nothing that floats will stand up to that.
Remember the GPS disruption tests in So Cal? The targets will not be where the Chinese missile are aimed.
Except they don’t need GPS. There is GLONASS and Galileo. The world has dramatically changed over the last 10 years, and our President not keeping it up technologically has definitely hurt.
We turn off GPS for everyone else doesn’t matter if they don’t use GPS.
Ping
one shoulder-fired missile launched at the 3 Gorges dam would stop all their bragging. They would be revealed to be the 4th-world s$&@ hole that they are
If I guess right, our navy, and Japanese navy as well, are testing the hell out of Aegis for defeating this threat.
At least, I hope to hell they are.
Against a mine laid overnight right outside the pier by a “trawler” or “fishing boat” just cruising by?
How few pounds do you need when the charge is close to a propeller?
The US Navy has been developing anti-air and anti-missile missile systems to defend their ships since there have been ASMs. (look up the RIM-66 standard missile line) The latest variants include the SM-II blk 4 and SM-6.
Now, the DF-21D's warheads may be coming in faster than previous ASMs. They are still going to be limited by the Gs they can pull and how much aerodynamic heating they can withstand. Even so, they are relatively slow compared to say a short or medium range ballistic missile during much of it's flight. The Missile Defense Agency and the Navy have been developing the SM-3 to intercept relatively high speed ballistic missiles. During re-entry phase they are actually much slower. The point is, the tracking and guidance computers and algorithms are well known - even tested in flight already - hitting things going much faster than an RV deep in the atmosphere.
So the US Navy has the tools, in the form of the various flavors of SPY and AMDR radars, Aegis weapons system, and a couple of different variants of SM missiles. I'm sure they've already wargamed this out in simulations hundreds of times. As others have noted there have been a number of tests at various Navy "shooting ranges" off Hawaii etc. According to Google, Raytheon makes the SM line of missiles. Hmm, I might have to look into buying some Raytheon stock, I think they may be busy for quite a while with this growing threat...
take out a carrier and it is the finish for a few Chinese cities....MAD...
I’m afraid our current leadership will just scuttle our warships. After all we are a Muslim run nation that was taken over from within by an unknown.
What do you believe the response would be, in the event of a launch detection, of a ballistic track intercepting a carrier group? Those in command will defend their assets.
It doesn’t have to track a carrier group, that’s the point. A launch can happen, and the ballistic arc doesn’t have to look like it intercepts the carrier group.
MIRV head launches, course corrects, and drops its cargo. The MIRV head disappears from RADAR when it explodes right after dropping the cargo (or it continues on its merry way, well-overshooting the carrier group and thus looking like a “missed shot”).
The problem is that, with an ICBM, when it’s on its way up or near the apex, there is literally a 5000 mile radius of targets it could hit. It’s up there - but what will it target? It’s not like a lobbed shell from a Howitzer, it’s more like a cruise missile. You know it’s coming in your general direction, but that’s because it could strike anywhere along a thousand mile border. Is it really coming to you, is it really going to strike?
Assume it is determined that it’s been fired up, and will come down on the carrier group. There’s not a chance the carrier and most of its escorts could get out of the way. Even at 50 knots - you have about 2 minutes from the time you determine it’s coming at you to the time it strikes. Carriers aren’t that nimble, they would get whacked.
Now, I guess you could argue that we could nuke them - but would that actually happen, would that actually be warranted given the attack that just shredded a carrier group was done with conventional weapons? I would say the chance of a nuclear retaliation would be somewhere around 0%. No we would retaliate with conventional weapons and demolish their carrier groups as well. But that’s not going to stop their ability to deny us the seas.
Huge strides in computing power, guidance technology, and optics and positioning have changed the game. You can drop “dumb” bombs that guide themselves through windows. Dropping dumb rods from the sky that will strike targets the size of a car is not that hard (heck, we have commercial outfits landing reusable rockets back on floating vessels).
And with the speed offered from the gravity well of the Earth - no explosives needed. If you miss, then it’s a rod of tungsten and steel on the ocean floor. If you hit - good bye to anything it intercepts. Liberally sprinkle a few hundred rods at 200 foot spacings and you will deny an area a half mile on a side to essentially any aircraft carrier - and nearly any destroyer.
Getting things into low orbit via ICBM has changed the game dramatically. You still need aircraft and big guns for the 2nd/3rd world opponents, but for 1st world opponents like Russia and China - it’s space based weapons that will determine who wins and loses. And by securing that high ground (space), you can deny the low ground to just about anything. Don’t like what’s down there? Just drop something pointy and heavy and let gravity do the rest.
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