Posted on 06/19/2016 6:20:22 AM PDT by DBCJR
...The firearm used in the Orlando massacre was not an AR-15 but a Sig Sauer MCX...
They are a class of firearm the National Shooting Sports Foundation calls “Modern Sporting Rifles” or, causally, MSRs.
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Is an AR an assault rifle or isn’t it?
“AR” stands for the original designer “ArmaLite Rifle,” which makes model numbers AR-5, AR-7, AR-10... you get the idea.
Civilian AR-platform rifles are not, in fact, “assault rifles” nor are they “automatic rifles” or “weapons of war.”
Only military selective-fire rifles designed for battleground use like the M16 and the AK-47 are accurately described as “assault rifles” — so referenced in Department of Defense literature.
Selective-fire means a rifle can be switched from semi-automatic to full automatic. Semi-auto fires one round with each pull of the trigger. Full-auto means it will continue firing until the trigger is released or the magazine is emptied, like a machine gun.
All civilian-use AR-platform firearms are semi-automatic only.
(Excerpt) Read more at tulsaworld.com ...
Hanging the “full auto” requirement on the definition of “weapon of war” is setting us up for failure.
Current issue combat shotguns are semi-auto. And no one will argue that either the Garand or the M1 carbine were civilian weapons.
The 2nd is not about “sporting rifles” , duck hunting or deer hunting. It is about guaranteeing freedom (see the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for further clarification).
I can't tell you how many faceboob meme's I have seen that are 100 % incorrect...
Correcting them is like talking to a dead fish...
This diversion into the specifics of whatever weapon liberals have targeted is immaterial. The crux of the debate is really the FACT that our rights as humans in a civilized world necessitates the ability to protect ourselves. It is a natural right born of civilization and choice.
It is, in fact, affirmed by our Constitution. There is no discussion about this. There never will be. If they want to take them, then come the hell on and try it.
*Weapons of war* Hussein said so.
Don’t forget, the Pope tried to ban the use of crossbows when they were first invented. Same line of thought as current gungrabbers.
Never EVER voluntarily give up that of which they are most afraid. NEVER.
They why are we debating what an AR.......oh, ferget it......it's always the same. We always take the bait. Instead of focusing on the fact that the bass turd was a Submissionist, we always get sidetracked into talking about the guns.
As they say on Shark Tank, "I'm out."
Oh that nasty M-16. the Army forced me to gain an intimate knowledge of it in 1973.
Good article. I wish more ignorant people would read it.
You need to read the article.
Some years ago the US government sold off their stockpile of surplus M-1 Garand rifles. After you were checked out and took a basic course of instruction and safety the government sold you one of the rifles. I don’t mean to split hairs, but isn’t this a tacit admission from the government that they themselves considered the M-1 suitable for civilian use? And if this is true wouldn’t it mean that former military weapons (M-1 carbine, Colt 1911 .45, etc.) now being sold for private use without protest from the government are, in the opinion of our leaders, equally suitable as civilian weapons?
That “weapons of war” phrase liberals are bouncing around sure starts getting blurry...
I read the article, the author is taking the liberal bait just like many here.
They do not want to ban assault rifles, they want to ban GUNS. Nancy Pelosi said exactly this years ago.
And the author is assuming the 2nd is about target practice, not defense of the Constitution.
The military does not use the term “assault rifle”. They use “small arms” or “personal weapon”. The news media invented the term “assault rifle”.
The Tulsa Whirled is a massive Lib/Progressive rag, not worth reading or linking under almost any circumstances. I am surprised this article made it in... Someone will pay...
“That “weapons of war” phrase liberals are bouncing around sure starts getting blurry...”
Yup, but it makes for great sound bites on the news after a thug robs or shoots someone.
Everything you can imagine can be a weapon of war, so the term really has no meaning. Don’t forget, Karl Marx said international trade is just another form of war.
A very easy and very pertinent question the author fails to address.
And this jewel of fuzzy thinking from the comments:
“No one wants to take any guns away from anyone. This one needs to go away.”
During the Cold War, I frequently was armed with an Air Force provided, Smith & Wesson Model 15, .38 special, six-shot revolver (complete with “military style” ball ammunition to be compliant with Geneva Convention protocols).
I guess that under the current media’s interpretation, that revolver would be considered a “military style, weapon of war” firearm...
Ar-15, on the market since 1965. No one wanted them as they were just made in a varmint caliber known as .222 Remington Special, more powerful than a .222 Remington, less powerful than a .222 Rem Magnum.
Bought my first in 1970, Looboyles at the old Southroads Mall. Wish I still had it.
No one wanted them (except me)as they were not large or powerful or accurate enough for hunting deer, hunting magazines hated them.
Then in the late 1970s, TV and movies began to popularize the rifle as a “star wars” style.
I remember when Tom Bosley from Happy Days played the part of an assassin, armed with a M-16 with a large scope sight. WOW A Snazzy rifle! Sales took off for anything that shot the .223 round.
Meanwhile the gun control organizations continued to claim they ONLY wanted to control HANDGUNS! Long guns will NOT be affected! Then while all eyes were on protecting the right to own handguns they made a grab at all semi auto rifles and shotguns.
And the fight was on.
Almost all obsolete military armament was sold to civilians as it was considered property belonging the the “Public”.
The guns of Lewis and Clark hit the auction block when they returned.
The Civil War muskets were reamed out and bayonet lugs ground off and sold to the public as shotguns.
The guns of the Indian Wars, Spanish American War, WWI and WWII were sold as army surplus.
No one complained about it until the 1960s when the gun grabbers got their start.
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