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Biggest airliner can't gate at biggest airport [airline dispute]
news4jax.com ^ | 06/02/2016 | cnn

Posted on 06/05/2016 10:10:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Here at the world's busiest airport -- with seven concourses and more than 200 gates -- a gate for the Super Jumbo Airbus A380 could not be provided. That forced Qatar Airways passengers to deplane Wednesday via mobile stairs and shuttle buses.

Atlanta's airport has only one gate that can accommodate the A380 -- the world's largest airliner. The airport and resident hub carrier Delta Air Lines said they could not make that gate available.

The very public battle between Delta Air Lines, the world's second largest airline, and competitor Qatar Airways represents a microcosm of the national debate over whether the amount of alleged government subsidies foreign airlines receive violates international Open Skies agreements.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel
KEYWORDS: a380; airbus; airbusa380; delta; deltaairlines; openskies; qatar; qatarairways
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1 posted on 06/05/2016 10:10:25 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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Isn’t that like taking off to the beach on a summer holiday weekend without a hotel reservation? You’d think gate arrangements would have been made beforehand, especially with a new and difficult to accommodate aircraft.


2 posted on 06/05/2016 10:15:00 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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Good for Delta, Qatar is a land of slavery and the air line is no better.


3 posted on 06/05/2016 10:15:15 AM PDT by battousai (Shrillary for Jail 2016)
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To: battousai

Delta ROCKS!


4 posted on 06/05/2016 10:19:38 AM PDT by BobNative
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To: BenLurkin

Such a deceptive headline.

There was a gate, they were just not allowed to use it.

This is a dispute, it seems.


5 posted on 06/05/2016 10:20:03 AM PDT by cba123 (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html)
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I got stuck on a 767 at an airport where a competitor had the only gate(s) able to handle it.

I think we were finally able to use it because of safety reasons - people were starting to pass out...

6 posted on 06/05/2016 10:25:02 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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Qatar Airways 1st class service is one of the best in the industry.

Yes, they serve booze.

They usually fly Boeing 777’s to the states though.


7 posted on 06/05/2016 10:25:40 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: BenLurkin

Qatar is the best airline in the world! Their service is beyond excellent. Anyone who flies for trips abroad, Qatar and Emirates are amazing as is Singapore.


8 posted on 06/05/2016 10:30:15 AM PDT by Republic_Venom (It's time for some Republic Venom!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

They are scheduled.

There is only one gate capable for the 380 at this airport.

Thing is, the jet is so huge it can’t fit anywhere else and the market for a 380 in the US is very limited, it is not cost-effective to build an entirely new terminal/gates.

Who pays for the new gates?


9 posted on 06/05/2016 10:36:10 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: BenLurkin

The A380 requires dual level air jet bridges, because they can sell seats for disabled passengers on both of the aircraft’s decks. Most A380 operators put premium classes of passengers on the upper deck and have economy on the lower deck.

The 747 is able to skirt around this issue by having all classes of seating available on the first deck. Most airlines that still fly the 747 have just additional business class seating albeit more private than main deck business class on the 747’s half upper deck. Basically anyone being booked for the 747 upper deck has to be able bodied enough to climb the internal 747 stairs along with carry on luggage. Those airlines that still offer international first class ususally place that in the nose compartment of the main deck of the 747.


10 posted on 06/05/2016 10:40:45 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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They say you have to show up like 3 to 4 hours before boarding these things. Stupid.

Then you have the Boeing Dreamliners where you can taxi into a small runway...deplane the passengers then turn around unassisted and take off again.

That’s American ingenuity.


11 posted on 06/05/2016 10:49:06 AM PDT by nikos1121 (The Golden Age of Pericles is about to begin again... in America)
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To: BenLurkin

The USAF encountered serious problems with its XC-99 transport in the later 1940s and early 1950s. It was too big to be useful. It commuted between the few bases that had runways large enough to handle it and the B-36, the bomber variant it was developed from.

Once you land your jumbo jet what do you do with your passengers? The A380 normally carries between 544 and 644 passengers plus crew. In a dense pack configuration it goes up to 800 plus. So the question is not only where do you park it but how long will it take to unload and how long will it take to get the passengers off the airport.

Unless there are numerous A380s operating every day there is little finical incentive to develop a new terminal to handle the impact of an A380 arrival.

Perhaps this could be a case, in Atlanta at least, where the supporting infrastructure wasn’t upgraded as rapidly as the size of commercial passenger jets.

Ever load/unload a KC-10, 200 passengers, via stairs/ It takes a while and is a real bear in a rain storm.


12 posted on 06/05/2016 10:49:44 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yes, but it still counts as an on-time departure!


13 posted on 06/05/2016 11:10:51 AM PDT by null and void (Hillary Milhouse Clinton: I'm not a c-- c-- c-- crook! Crook, that's the c-word I was looking for!)
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I flew Qatar once — business class Dubai to Delhi via Doha as my original flight to Delhi was cancelled. Once the plane landed, taxied, and stopped, curtains were draw to separate first, business, and coach. Almost immediately a small shuttle arrived to whisk off the first class. Not long after a regular shuttle came to get us business class passengers. We were taken to a lounge that was a separate building not connected to any gates. Plenty of free delicious food and drinks. The various pistachio treats filled me up. The downside for me was that my time in the lounge building was but 2 hours around 2am to 4am. Overall, an extremely nice travel experience, and but a bit expensive at $500 for a last minute ticket around 2007.
14 posted on 06/05/2016 11:15:45 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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Well done news4jax.com - that’s a lovely photo of an A380! Journalism at its best. /sarc


15 posted on 06/05/2016 12:17:47 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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Ha yeah it looks like a 767 or Airbus A330 .


16 posted on 06/05/2016 1:17:11 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: nikos1121; BenLurkin
They say you have to show up like 3 to 4 hours before boarding these things. Stupid.

No you don't. I flew from CRP to IAH and had just over an hour of connection time for my Lufthansa flight to FRA. I got to the A380 gate at terminal D from terminal B via the terminal connecting train on the sterile side of security prior to the start of boarding. The only thing I didn't like about it was United Airlines put the wrong gate information on my ticket. They put the gate number for the upper deck which is only for premium classes, so I had to be directed to the correct line.

Because CRP is such a small airport, I only really needed to be there an hour prior to takeoff. The security lines at CRP are rather short, so if you're not there during the early morning rush hour, checking in 30-45 minutes ahead of departure is adequate. It's a lot less hassle than driving from Corpus Christi, parking in a long term parking lot. Taking my maxed out bags from my car and putting them on a shuttle bus, riding to the international departures portion of terminal D, checking in, going through the security gauntlet, walking to the gate, and waiting to board. I can be let off near the check in counter at CRP and never have to handle my checked luggage again till I get to my destination.

17 posted on 06/05/2016 4:32:28 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get you.)
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I’m talking about the initial boarding.


18 posted on 06/05/2016 5:09:16 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The Golden Age of Pericles is about to begin again... in America)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Bottom line, they need to have separate boarding and security for this plane...otherwise I think it be unfair to these passengers. It’s definitely a special plane.


19 posted on 06/05/2016 5:10:33 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The Golden Age of Pericles is about to begin again... in America)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

Well, maybe Trump is right... Maybe I need to reconsider my position on this...


20 posted on 06/05/2016 5:12:07 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The Golden Age of Pericles is about to begin again... in America)
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