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The MOS Technology 6502 was my first real love as a microprocessor. Had an early KIM-1, and built a few homebrew wirewrapped machines using 6502s. So this is a treat to read about...
1 posted on 05/18/2016 10:21:45 AM PDT by dayglored
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Tech and Apple ][ Pings?


2 posted on 05/18/2016 10:22:25 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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Not really Windows, but some of you must have played with an Apple ][, right? ... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

3 posted on 05/18/2016 10:23:44 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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The 6502 and its derivatives drove the home computer market.... yes a few z80 based machines existed, but the vast majority of the early personal computer market were 6502 based.... In fact they still manufacture an ancestor of this chip, it is used extensively to this day in various ways...

http://westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/w65c02s-chip.cfm


4 posted on 05/18/2016 10:27:51 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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I used to work on an 80 era Texas Instruments system built for the military. The CPU was 48K memory all with dip chips. Special 15 bit microprocessor (I am not making this up). The normal current draw was 40 amps. It was a two man lift to carry it around.


9 posted on 05/18/2016 10:40:30 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand. If you are French raise both hands)
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using SMT seems like cheating...


10 posted on 05/18/2016 10:45:26 AM PDT by bigbob
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OMG. This reminds me of folks who build clocks out of NIXIE tubes. Yeah, OK, they are kinda cool.

When you can buy an LED clock new for $7 which is what each digit of a clock in Nixie costs......never mind wiring the things together....

Or you can buy an LED clock in a thrift store for $2.


11 posted on 05/18/2016 10:47:09 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (I apologize for not apologizing.)
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Keyboard Input Monitor aka KIM-1. A sweetheart of minimalism.

15 posted on 05/18/2016 10:54:37 AM PDT by bigbob
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One of the first low-level languages I learned was 6502 and 65C02 machine code. On an Apple II and IIc.

Then I stepped up to a Motorola 68000.

17 posted on 05/18/2016 10:55:11 AM PDT by IronJack
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It's neat to think of plugging the MOnSter 6502's in-circuit emulator (ICE) cable directly into a socket inside an Apple ][, but that wouldn't actually work. The Apple ][ design relies on a number of clever tricks that derive timing for video generation and peripheral control from the main clock signal — all of which will fail if you need to run at a slower speed.

In other words, Woz really was a wiz.

18 posted on 05/18/2016 10:55:57 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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I’m surprised they didn’t find a way to work in legos and ball bearings/water clock mechanisms there...


19 posted on 05/18/2016 10:56:51 AM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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Sometimes I miss my Commodore 64 (which had a 6502 chip). My first computer; I was a teenager.

I learned BASIC on it, and then taught myself machine code and 6502 assembly language on it. I hand wrote machine code, until I figured out that assemblers would generate the machine code and all I had to do was type in assembling like LDA #255, DEC.

I also studied the internal ROM library, including the floating point math library and figured out how 8-bit processing was able to do multidigit floating point division.

I remember hacking the game “Elite” so that I could be invincible if I wanted.


24 posted on 05/18/2016 11:02:56 AM PDT by baltimorepoet
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I was stationed overseas on what was my last action. Mrs C sent me an Altair kit. Several of my comrades and I got it to work and created a pretty good code machine for that day.
It was an Intel 8080 chip set. Had to leave it with the embassy.

Back state side I built a SWTP 6800 and realized how much more superior the motorola/mosfet cpu’s were to the intel ones. I memorized the instruction set of both the 8080 and the 6800, can still program the motorola controller chips raw without a high level language.

Just saying
Caddis the Elder


27 posted on 05/18/2016 11:10:43 AM PDT by palmerizedCaddis (I'm not sure if Obama is worse than Carter, just that Barry is a lot dumber.)
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I worked at Datapoint in my first job out of school. They pioneered in a lot of areas, including the first token ring LAN. They sold that technology to Novell and it became netware. Datapoint developed the first desktop computers and the CPU was built using discrete components with minimal integrated circuits. They sold that technology to Intel and it became the 8008. The 8008 was the first 8 bit microprocessor.

The good old days.


29 posted on 05/18/2016 11:14:36 AM PDT by IamConservative (There is no greater threat to our freedoms than Bipartisanship.)
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To: dayglored

That thing gives me flashbacks to my days as a student learning electronics. Breadboard and wire-tie nightmares that 30-odd years later have only recently begun to subside.

Thanks a lot...


32 posted on 05/18/2016 11:17:08 AM PDT by Augie
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I loved the 6502!

Most fun I ever had coding in assembler.

I am a piker compared to Wozniak, his code for the Apple floppy disk controller is epic. He eliminated virtually all the hardware needed for the interface...saved $$$


36 posted on 05/18/2016 11:40:39 AM PDT by Bobalu (Government treats you like a milk cow. If things get tough, they will treat you like a beef cow)
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Oops, forgot to post a pic of the board! This is reduced in size for the thread, but click it for full size.


40 posted on 05/18/2016 11:55:53 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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Woz and Jobs were originally going to use a chip in the 6800 family for their first project, even stenciled in the chip number, then the 6502 came out, more capability, better price. Besides the 8-bit Apple II (all were either 6502 or 65C02), the Commodore machines (prior to the Amiga) all used it (if memory serves), and the Atari 400 and 800, probably their home game machines as well used it. Nintendo used the last-gen 65816 in products prior to the Wii (which I believe uses PPC?).

41 posted on 05/18/2016 12:02:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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Had an early KIM-1...

Yeah, I had one of those. Stupidly threw it in the trash years and years ago.

43 posted on 05/18/2016 12:20:22 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I just want to show you what my politics are.)
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Where is the pictures of Bender? He has a 6502 in his head.


47 posted on 05/18/2016 1:31:02 PM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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48 posted on 05/18/2016 1:34:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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