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Prepper Food Storage Question

Posted on 05/07/2016 7:34:23 PM PDT by PinkChampagneonIce

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To: PinkChampagneonIce

It’s necessary - IMHO - to ignore the crux of your question and go to the root of the matter: Gut health. In drafting my book I’ve become aware of an epidemic sweeping the population and, as such, the ‘prepper question’ mandates ensuring intestinal health inasmuch as the very food supplies you seek to inventory. I believe the rising incidence of food poisoning reports is not evidence of ‘dirty food’, but of weak immune systems. I also believe the so-called ‘epidemic of disease’ is a consequence as well.

If anyone truly vested in ‘being prepared’ has a combination of these symptoms, educate yourself and fix your gut:
• Acne or other skin problems
• Anxiety, panic attacks, feeling “blue”
• Blurry eyes, eye teaming problems, eye fatigue, floaters, burning or tearing eyes
• Brain fog, poor concentration, feeling ‘spacey’ (confusion)
• Chills, cold feeling in your extremities (cold feet/hands, turning up the heat regularly)
• Dizziness
• Dry mouth, bad breath
• Ear itching, infections, pressure, swelling or tingling
• Fatigue/extreme lethargy especially after eating
• Food sensitivity/allergies
• Food cravings, increased hunger
• Frequent urination
• Gut symptoms, including: Abdominal cramps alleviated by bowel movements, flatulence, generally heinous, heartburn, indigestion, irregular bowels; diarrhea or constipation, painful bowel movements, IBS
• Hair follicle inflammation (candidiasis folliculitis) of various parts of the body (feet, legs, arms), hair loss
• Headaches
• Hyperactivity, attention problems
• Insomnia
• Irritability, mood swings
• Joint swelling and aches, upper back pain/shoulders/neck, lower back pain
• Light-headedness
• Libido problems
• Memory problems, confusion
• Menstruation irregularity, endometriosis, PMS, flushing, night sweats
• Muscle coordination problems, muscle weakness and muscle/tendon pain
• Nutrient absorption problems, malnutrition, need for vitamin supplements
• Sinus problems, post nasal drip, sinusitis/sinus congestion, sinus irritability, seasonal allergies
• Skin autoimmune conditions (eczema), yeast infections, dandruff, dry skin, dry heel cracking rectal itching or athletes foot, extremities numb, burning or tingling sensations, White coated tongue / Oral thrush
• Symptoms worse after starches and/or sugars or foods containing them
The irony is that most people experiencing many of those symptoms have been doing so for years and have rationalized them as ‘normal’, just as I had done.

Think about it: If your gut isn’t as healthy as your inventory, an intestinal illness will kill you long before the food is gone. As you cite about historical food storage: People survived even when there weren’t refrigerators. I believe that’s telling.

.02

Be well.


81 posted on 05/08/2016 6:24:48 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: Kenny500c
nothing will kill you if you boil it in water for an hour.

I'm fairly certain a Beretta M9 will still kill you even if boiled.

82 posted on 05/08/2016 6:43:02 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (#BlackOlivesMatter)
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To: PinkChampagneonIce
There is a formula for it. Food spoilage is an organic or biochemical reaction.

For each 10 degrees centigrade(not fahrenheit) you raise the temperature, you double the rate of an organic chemical reaction. Conversely, for each 10 degrees centigrade you lower the temp, you cut the rate of the chemical reaction in half.

As for the poorly working old refrigerator: Check the Freon. Make sure the coils are clean. Check the gasket around the door perimeter that seals it

83 posted on 05/08/2016 6:45:24 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: PinkChampagneonIce; fella

...For 1k you can buy a used camper...

A stove and water heater use a ton of propane.

In a SHTF situation, and even in normal times, an RV fridge uses practically none.

One 4 gallon tank will last for months and run the fridge/ freezer. But, a camper also provides a roof and bed.


84 posted on 05/08/2016 6:51:26 AM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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To: PinkChampagneonIce

Aging hanging meat changes the texture (makes it easier to cut). I have only heard of hanging meat outside or in a barn during winter.


85 posted on 05/08/2016 7:15:45 AM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: PinkChampagneonIce

Spices actually often act as a preservative. If you look at the world, the areas where people prefer spicy food are also very warm: Mexico, Louisiana, Southern Italy, Spain, certain provinces of China, India, etc. Yet, in colder climates, the food is usually bland (to me). It has been theorized that when food got too hot and became spoiled, people who preferred spicy food survived and passed that preference on.


86 posted on 05/08/2016 7:16:12 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: babygene

My raw egg sodium silicate experiments have been epic fail.


87 posted on 05/08/2016 7:24:50 AM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: Roos_Girl

Unwashed eggs last longer than washed eggs.


88 posted on 05/08/2016 7:27:18 AM PDT by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: Roos_Girl

I should add my mom would do the float test before boiling eggs, any that floated she did not boil.


89 posted on 05/08/2016 7:33:59 AM PDT by Tammy8
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To: bgill
I can’t find the link but there is a refrigerator made from basically a box with a cloth or burlap draped over.

Old camping technique.

We learned to make them in the Boy Scouts out of orange crates and burlap bags.

They work on the same principle as the "swamp cooler" type air conditioners.

Keep the burlap wet and the evaporation keeps the contents cool.

Something like this:

Just Google "evaoporative cooler" to get some ideas.


90 posted on 05/08/2016 7:39:48 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Islam is Islam. Democracy is the train we ride to our ultimate victory. (Recep Erdogan))
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To: DavidLSpud

this reminds me of how kimchi and is made in korea - they put everything in a jar sealed it (wax maybe) and buried it. Sauerkraut is fermented similarly but I don’t know if the germans ever buried theirs.


91 posted on 05/08/2016 7:51:00 AM PDT by reed13k
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To: Paleo Pete

I raise my own pork. They start free ranging with clean feed and water given once a day. They get treated for ant illness and de-wormed. They go from babies to the freezer in 7 months. Yes poorly raised sickly pork should be avoided. Same with chicken, beef and fish.

Just saying that store bought mass raised anything can be dangerous. I have seen dying cattle “make” it to slaughter house in time.

Good fmeat costs more or takes more time to raise. It’s worth it in my opinion.


92 posted on 05/08/2016 7:56:10 AM PDT by wgmalabama
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To: SisterK

“My raw egg sodium silicate experiments have been epic fail.”

You need to dip the eggs in boiling water for a few seconds to kill any surface bacteria before sealing them with water glass.


93 posted on 05/08/2016 8:01:46 AM PDT by babygene (Make America Great Again)
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To: PinkChampagneonIce

floating is just an age indicator.


94 posted on 05/08/2016 8:09:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
These guys adapt their propane refrigerators to natural gas.
95 posted on 05/08/2016 8:11:43 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

Yeah pretty simple. I converted my gas grill from propane to nat gas when we moved to the current house. It was literally as easy as drilling out the feed orifice hole.


96 posted on 05/08/2016 8:15:48 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: PinkChampagneonIce

My dog is a champ at this: kills a rabbit and buries it, digs it up before it turns and eats like a king. She has about 3 in her ‘fridge’ atm.

Anyways, have you thought about curing/smoking? I like to pepper cure lean cuts of meat. My gf will not partake, but I can keep it well above 45 with no gastronomical problems for a few days. (only venison and beef, no pork or poultry)


97 posted on 05/08/2016 8:19:40 AM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: Grammy
Lots of things produce toxins that aren't removed by boiling.... such as botulism. It grows when non acid things aren't canned properly, or when you put things like garlic in oil and don't refrigerate it.

Partly true. The botulism spore itself is not killed by boiling. But the toxin it produces does have a low boiling point, which means that if you boil the food long enough right before eating, it can be rendered safe.

The moment it cools down, though, the botulinum bacterium will get right back to making more toxin, so it's a temporary measure. And, really not recommended except in desperate circumstances.

In adults, the botulinum bacterium itself can't get a foothold, so it's just the toxin that needs dealt with. With infants, that's not the case. The bacterium can establish itself in their intestines and produce the toxin right there. Keep them safe!!!
98 posted on 05/08/2016 8:25:23 AM PDT by Ellendra (Those who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: PinkChampagneonIce

Maybe this will sound crazy to everyone but you. I would bury a large picnic cooler. Use a couple of carpet rugs to cover the lid when it is closed to help insulate it. Use ice inside. Make sure you get one with a low drain plug so you can get rid of the water when the ice melts. If you bury it well with insulation it could suit your needs.


99 posted on 05/08/2016 8:34:37 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Missing you /johnny (JRandomFreeper).)
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To: antidisestablishment

Covering meats in fat may not be common as a storage method, but call it by the French name “confit”, and it’s considered gourmet cooking: http://www.seriouseats.com/2013/01/ask-the-food-lab-what-the-heck-is-confit.html

I have a cookbook by Michael Ruhlman that had pretty much half the book dedicated to confits.


100 posted on 05/08/2016 8:36:58 AM PDT by Ellendra (Those who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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