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Why has FR turned on Cruz?
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Posted on 05/02/2016 2:30:43 PM PDT by bassmaner

I'll keep this vanity short ... Mods: please feel free to pull it if it's inappropriate.

Why have so many here on FR turned on Ted Cruz in such a vicious way?

We cheered when we first heard about Ted taking on the establishment in TX to win the primary in the race to fill Kay Bailey Hutchison's vacated Senate seat, in a bad year for the GOP

We cheered again when Ted exhorted us to 'Stand With Rand' when he offered public support for Rand Paul's filibuster over the NDAA

Once more, we cheered when he stood on the Senate floor and urged his colleagues to join him and use the power of the purse to kill Obamacare

We nodded our collective heads in approval when he openly and correctly called Mitch McConnell a liar

And we jumped for joy when he became the first GOPer to announce a presidential run!

So ... what happened? Yes, Trump announced. But at first, not too many people took him seriously. For the longest time, there seemed to be an unspoken pact between Trump and Cruz, where they occasionally said nice things about each other while bashing the other candidates.

But ever since the voting began and Trump turned on Cruz (starting with the Ben Carson imbroglio in Iowa), a large contingent of FReepers did the same and seem to be echoing RINOs like John Boehner and Peter King in their absolute abhorrence of Cruz.

Yes, we need to choose sides, but for God's sake, can't we send that kind of vitriol in the direction that it belongs, ie. Hildabeast and the 'Rat Party, and knock off the circular firing squad?


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To: bassmaner

Because he’s a fraudulent creep.


61 posted on 05/02/2016 2:48:34 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Trump is great. Just great. He's going to do great things and America will be great and spectacular.)
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To: bassmaner

I first began to turn against Cruz when he held up the Bible to justify his nomination. I don’t like politicians who take the Lord’s name in vain.

When Ted Cruz lost Arizona to Trump (clearly) then got the delegates to flip, he negated the voices of the people.

Now the Cruz people shrug and say, ‘that’s politics’, but here’s the way that I see it.

Cruz is a lawyer. He’s the slimy defense attorney who gets a known molester back on the streets on a technicality. He’s the icy prosecutor who takes away an old lady’s house because she didn’t mow her lawn.

Technically, legal.

But not moral. Not honorable. He goes for personal gain, not genuine justice.

This is how he’s played the entire election. Technically legal... but dishonorable and going against the spirit of American politics.

That’s sleezy. That’s ‘Washington business as usual’. He’s done everything that he can to smother the voice of the people. To get the nomination by hook or by crook.

On a personal note.

My son died on April 9th. Voting for Trump in the AZ primary was one of his last meaningful acts on this earth and he was so happy to be part of that victory.

Cruz just erased that act with backroom dealings. Behind closed doors. He did it in the most underhanded way possible.

Might be legal, but there is no honor in his ‘victory’.

Ted Cruz is the lowest example of a despised lawyer and that’s all he is. He is every scummy lawyer joke personified. He’s a terrible human being.


62 posted on 05/02/2016 2:48:40 PM PDT by Marie (The vulgarians are at the gate! MAGA!)
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To: bassmaner

It’s a very important election and we need to beat Hillary.

Cruz cannot get the delegates even if he wins every primary from this point on and he knows it.

He’s got to be hoping for a brokered election which means he has some feeling he can ‘get’ the delegates, which makes me think backroom dealings.

But when it comes to the election itself the people are far more voting for Trump. Meaning Cruz if he was the nominee after ‘getting’ delegates to vote him as one, would lose to Clinton.

He needs to think of the country and get out so we can concentrate on winning in November.


63 posted on 05/02/2016 2:48:58 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: bassmaner
Because he became joined at the hip by glen beck.
Because Mitt Romney and his cohorts became ted's allies.
And Mitt Romney just couldn't help himself for want of soiling this election any way he could.

Because Ted Cruz could've been a great man, he started out that way.
But he listened to his new friends instead of the voters.

And now while losing because of the will of the voters, he won't go away.

What a damned waste of such incredible talent.
64 posted on 05/02/2016 2:49:19 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: ilgipper; bassmaner

Thank you both. My thoughts exactly. I don’t usually post on Trump or Cruz threads because of the venom at the mere mention of Cruz’s name. Yet, in the end, I will vote for Trump. Hildebeast must not be allowed the presidency.


65 posted on 05/02/2016 2:49:45 PM PDT by sneakers
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To: bassmaner

You don’t really think those attacking Cruz are conservatives, do you? The Democrats are voting for Trump, a Democrat, and taking over the GOP so Hillary will win in Nov. It is a brilliant strategy, based on the indisputable fact that many voters are stupider than geese.


66 posted on 05/02/2016 2:50:18 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: bassmaner
Cruz completely hide from view, who and what he was, when we all enthusiastically cheered him on for the Senate.

Some of us were already a bit put off by his actions, when he announced that he was throwing his hat into the presidential primaries. And once they began in earnest, we began to find out the truth about Ted; none of it good!

The Cruz supporters began to trash, bash, and have an all out war against Trump, the minute he announced and then went after his supporters. Trump supporters ignored this garbage for many months, but then around last December, we had just had it and began to fight back.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT CRUZ WILL BE THE NOMINEE, NOR SHALL HE EVER BE PRESIDENT, NOW !

It is long past time for everyone to back the GOP nominee, who is Trump and stop with the WAR!

67 posted on 05/02/2016 2:50:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: katnip
The night he blamed the Chicago near riots at a Trump rally on Trump, he became dead to me.

That did it for me too. He went full weasel.

68 posted on 05/02/2016 2:51:07 PM PDT by showme_the_Glory ((ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government))
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To: bassmaner
Speaking for myself only:

Ted Cruz pretended to "stand up for" conservative causes, but those pretenses turned out to be just for show. He allowed TPP and TPA to pass; he allowed the Iran deal to go through; etc.; but he pretended to be for the American people while stabbing us in the back.

Ted Cruz pretended to be a US citizen, then he pretended he didn't know he was a Canadian citizen; then claimed dual citizenship (not possible from his year of birth). Then he pretended he was eligible to run for president of the USA (even though he previously acknowledged that a natural born citizen is one born in the country to parents who are both US citizens). Ted Cruz KNOWS that he is not eligible to hold the presidency, and possibly not eligible to hold his current Senate seat.

I don't care how well someone pretends. I will not support a pretender. I will not support any foreign agent, or any globalist anti-American agent, or any other person who cannot put their oath to the US Constitution, or the interests of the American people, above their own agenda, or their donors' interests, or their freaky religion, or the interests of globalist manipulators, or anything else.

Ted Cruz not only lost my support for his political ambitions. I would like to see him tried for espionage, or sabotage, or treason, or fraud, or all the above; then properly convicted; and then finely hanged. Nothing personal. This globalist destruction of the USA must stop, and the only way to stop it is to properly punish it.

69 posted on 05/02/2016 2:51:10 PM PDT by meadsjn
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I started out this election cycle with Cruz and Carson as my top picks. I didn't think Trump would make a good president. Trump got my attention when he dared to say we'd build a wall - finally someone with common sense and the guts to say it. He earned more of my admiration at the first debate where he fired back at Megyn Kelly. Typically when a journalist lobs a racist or anti-woman jab at Republicans, they apologize, slink off, and let the label stick. He earned more points with me when he threw Jorge Ramos out of his press conference when he wouldn't be quiet. There became more and more things that drew me to him.

On the other hand, I started having misgivings about Cruz in Iowa when his people said Ben Carson had dropped out of the race. At first, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, that maybe it was just a misunderstanding, but info that came out later shows that it was likely a calculated move. I lost lots of respect for Cruz when he blamed the violence of anti-Trump protesters in Chicago on Trump (and he has continued attacking Trump along those lines). He constantly says stuff that's not true about Trump. He's like a high school kid trying to win debate points on the smallest issues. When it looked like Trump was going to win, I was hoping Cruz would end up as VP or a Supreme Court justice, but now I just can't stand the guy.

70 posted on 05/02/2016 2:51:13 PM PDT by Kipp
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To: bassmaner

Thank you, well said!


71 posted on 05/02/2016 2:51:54 PM PDT by jonsie
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To: Liz

I never ‘turned’ on Ted because, having always seen him as a highly ambitious politician with stars in his eyes, I was never ‘for’ him. And if I actually thought Ted Cruz really gave a shit about me personally, I’d voluntarily seek psychiatric help.


72 posted on 05/02/2016 2:51:57 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: bassmaner

The vicious attacks on Cruz, the genuine conservative in the race, is the reason I hardly visit FR much anymore.


73 posted on 05/02/2016 2:52:09 PM PDT by AlienandStranger
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To: bassmaner

If Cruz is the nominee, I will still vote for him, but I will not crawl over broken glass to do so. I have problems with Trump, too, but for now, he has my support and i would be willing to walk over a small patch of broken safety glass in my Redwings to vote for him.


74 posted on 05/02/2016 2:52:14 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Crump or Lose 2016)
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To: bassmaner

“Why have so many here on FR turned on Ted Cruz in such a vicious way?”

Not everyone has been vicious, but the cumulative and continuing disgust at Ted Cruz’s sleazy and dishonest words and tactics turned lots of people off. We got to take the measure of the man and some of his supporters and it caused us to dislike him. We have also grown weary of all the Baghdad Bob-type pronouncements from the pundit class regarding Cruz winning and Trump losing in the delegate race and in the polls, when the opposite is clearly the case.


75 posted on 05/02/2016 2:52:23 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: bassmaner; mkjessup; onyx; stephenjohnbanker; SaveFerris; Georgia Girl 2
For myself: the revealing of his narcissistic, monomaniacal delusions that he's been "anointed by God" to assume absolute control over what is, quite rightly, a secular office.

Automatic disqualifier.

76 posted on 05/02/2016 2:52:30 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The bathroom deal is a big fat nothing burger." -- Jim Robinson, 04/22/16)
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To: Marie

So sorry for your loss. That really puts it in perspective. I was never comfortable in what Cruz was doing. It seemed too slimy to me.


77 posted on 05/02/2016 2:52:35 PM PDT by stratboy
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To: bassmaner

All our family members are Texans, Republicans and Conservative. We all actively campaigned for Cruz as our Senator to replace Kay Bailey so that we would finally have at least one Conservative Senator in our state. We will also campaign actively for his re-election as Senator should he choose to run.

However, we would prefer that Trump be the Presidential nominee in November and our dream team was Trump/Cruz for a whole bunch of reasons. The name of the game is no Democrat in the White House.

OTOH, we did not vote for Cornyn or Pete Olson last time around, will not vote for Olson in November and refuse to ever vote for Cornyn again ever. We can do better than re-elect RINO’s.


78 posted on 05/02/2016 2:52:43 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: bassmaner

Cruz lost it with his ‘Playing by the rules’, and the “Want some cheese with that Whine” crap. That was a big middle finger to the Trump voters, he is now reaping the Whirlwind he sowed.


79 posted on 05/02/2016 2:52:50 PM PDT by heights
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To: bassmaner

Because the writings on the wall. sCruz should have dropped out long ago. Certainly after last week’s primaries. When it became obvious that Kasich had no path to nomination, sCruz called for him to drop out. Now that sCruz has been mathematically eliminated, he is staying in, because he is nothing more than a slimy lawyer/politician, and that’s what’s wrong with America.


80 posted on 05/02/2016 2:53:46 PM PDT by dware (I don't care what bathroom they use, as long as it's in the nuthouse, where they belong)
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