Posted on 04/27/2016 8:47:16 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
I have noticed that pro-life people are frequently asked why they believe in the death penalty, but not abortion. That answer is simple. There is a vast difference between the pure life of the unborn and a criminal who has evilly taken someone else's life. And those Leftists, who believe in the 'Death with Dignity' meme, rail against those of us who believe in the 2nd Amendment.
For myself, I find it difficult to justify sentences in excess of ten years. The death penalty should be used for any crimes that call for longer sentences, and any real criminal reform would start by making prisons far less hospitable to the inhabitants.
If someone can’t be reformed in ten years, then time to cull the herd.
Capital punishment also serves as a deterrent to other criminals. Abortion can’t be compared.
Lots of law enforcement in my family who serve in NY state. With no death penalty, there is no line to cross. When killing cops or civilians carries no additional sentence than what you’re already gonna get for selling felony amounts of drugs, why not do it?
How much “Gun Violence” will Obama, Hillary, Bern and other Liberals be willing to inflict to prevent “Gun Violence” in America? If a law is passed (executive order or court edict?) that outlaws all firearms for the common populace and effectively repeals the 2nd Amendment, how shall it be enforced (root word FORCE)? Will armed police and/or military go house to house searching for the now illegal guns (using guns and even heavier weapons I presume)? This will by default, result in the complete destruction of entire The Constitution, not just the 2nd Amendment! Will deadly force be an option against those who may resist? How many casualties among the enforcers and the resisters will be enough to complete the disarming of the American populace? How much blood and sorrow will it require?
To sum... How much “gun violence” will our rulers (for now they will RULE and no longer govern) be willing to inflict on the citizens, how much death, maiming and imprisonment (using government guns) will be required to prevent the “epidemic” of “gun violence” in our society?
Oh the “rusty” irony of the “progressive” mind!!!
I think of myself as “anti-abortion on demand”. I don't think of myself as “pro-life” because I believe some people “need Killin’”. Killed, not murdered.
I think some people may be “pro-life” in that they oppose abortion, execution, killing in self defense, etc., but many so called pro-life people have acquiesced to a term applied to them by their opponents so they can be tripped up.
Guns are dramatically more effective than other methods for suicide, followed by jumping from a sufficient height. Those rare liberals who think at all believe fewer guns would lead to fewer successful suicides.
In the US, suicide by firearms is about 90% effective and accounts for 50% of successful suicides, and there are widespread efforts to restrict firearms access. In Hong Kong, where firearms are uncommon, suicide by jumping from a sufficient height is about 90% effective and accounts for 50% of successful suicides, and there are widespread efforts to restrict rooftop access by mandating alarms and locks. In Canada, when they banned and restricted many firearms, suicide shifted from firearms to jumping. Unsurprisingly, as that change took place, the total suicide rate in Canada barely changed (rising only slightly). The treatment for mental illness is not to remove a tool used by the mentally ill.
People do not succeed at suicidal gestures because they foolishly chose a firearm (or jumping). People who wish to succeed choose a firearm (or jumping from a tall building if firearms are not available) because their goal is to succeed.
I have noticed that pro-life people are frequently asked why they believe in the death penalty, but not abortion.The proper response is, why are you in favor of killing the unborn, but against the death penalty?
Myself I am now at the point where I don’t care if liberals abort, birth control, suicide, and euthanize themselves out of existence.
If anything they’re doing the rest of us a favor.
I can. Given that hardly anyone who is sentenced to ten years actually does ten years, damn right we need it. Length of sentence is in proportion to heinousness and seerity of tge crime. For non violent serious felonies it is needed because they are crimes that didnt murder anyone.
If it is so heinous that it deserves 10 years or more in prison, dispose of them at the local crematorium. Optional if a death sentence is carried out first.
Warehousing criminals is not a deterrent, nor does it do anything but make all of society a constant victim of their crimes as they pay a hundred thousand dollars a year to house them.
A good question. Also why do they complain of cop killing people outside due process, so called, but then are for abortion privacy and yet for violating women’s privacy with transgenders impersonating?
It seems they pick and choose when it should be peace with Cuba or war between Argentina and England, depending on who wins
This is dirt simple, both intellectually and morally:
1) Abortion is the taking of the life of an unborn child, who did nothing wrong to anyone. There can be legitimate arguments about rape or incest, about danger to the mother’s life, birth defects, etc., but that doesn’t apply most of the time - it is an issue of “convenience.” IOW, it is killing another because people don’t wish to deal with the consequences of having fun - like adults.
2) The death penalty is both a penalty to those who purposely choose to unjustifiably end an innocent’s life, and a deterrent to those who might think about doing so. It is ALL about taking responsibility for one’s actions.
3) Guns - this is also ALL about taking responsibility for one’s actions. Gun owners take responsibility for their own safety, not relying upon police officers to put their own lives at risk (if possible); it is also about someone CHOOSING to commit a crime of violence, and having to deal with someone defending their life, their family’s lives and their property - ALL of which is justifiable. If animals and plants can utilize lethal means to defend themselves (yes, plants do it - some are poisonous), then we humans have the same right.
Anyone opposed to these views is either woefully misinformed, or an immoral blissninnie.
Indeed. Many mafias and now Islam have used the prison system to detect recruits
Liberal gays are antigun because they are oredators who want unprotected children. So called conservative gays are provun because they want to defend their lives. The liberal myth of the gay victim is a myth because they are antigun. It only is a ploy for nany government to intervene to protect the bully and thus control the law abiding from ever revolting and uniting against corruption
All true.
It is also true that men use guns to commit suicide at a higher rate than women, and also have higher suicide “success” (if it can be called that) rates.
When men do it, they usually mean to succeed.
Non violent serious crimes deserve long sentences but not death sentences.
10 years is a subjective arbitrary number that you like, that will be debated and ultimately you will see plenty of serious crimes that would get more years, get less than 10 because jusges will not sentence them to death. You would see people that would not have hurt anyone physically and would hsve never have been up for a death sentence, be sentenced to death.
I understand the idea you are trying to do, but it is more complicated. Here is how i wold do it.
Murderers - all are executed if convicted of murder. If person admits, and/or irrefutable video shows them doing it, or evidence that overwhelmingly shows they did it, sentence carried out within days. If no admission or dead to rights evidence but only circumstantial, if person has history of such behavior dead within days, if not, appeal to state supreme court, just one, and needs to be concluded within 30 days. If no funny business/framed discovered by state supreme court, dead in days.
Serious violent felons, if multiple,repeat offenders, dead in days. First time long sentence. Second time long sentence. Third time dead in days of sentencing. Violence cannot be trumped up pushing or shoving or scratching, not minor crap. Must be with deadly weapons. Cars and hammers and screwdrivers count as well.
Non violent felons. Long sentences. Longer if keep doing same crimes over and over.
The key phrase is “innocent human life”, and involves a discussion on morality.. And that is where you will lose your liberal ideologues.
Abortion destroys innocent human life, which is fundamentally immoral.
Guns are a amoral (meaning ‘without’ intrinsic morality one way or the other) tool that can be used both to defend innocent human life, which is moral, or immorally in the destruction of human life. And to deny the moral use of guns to defend innocent human life IS immoral.
As far as suicide goes, that doesn’t involve innocence. Fighting evil in mortal combat is moral. And executions, just war and self defense are sanctioned uses of killing in the bible.
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