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Making Mainframes Cool Again
Information Week ^ | 4/15/2016 | Steve Trautman

Posted on 04/18/2016 3:09:17 AM PDT by AdmSmith

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The article is interesting. It’s basically a “how to” article to try to convince younger IT workers to sign up to work on legacy mainframe systems.

I bet that’s a pretty hard sell. No one in the computer industry would take seriously a manager making an offer like that, the days of company loyalty are long gone, killed off by management practices.

As a programmer your first job is to keep your skills up to date so that when you are laid off you can quickly acquire a new job. Working on some companies ancient mainframe code doesn’t fit into that model.


61 posted on 04/18/2016 7:17:30 AM PDT by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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To: MortMan
OO as Cargo Pants.

You nailed it!

There was an interesting essay written by someone talking about OO being the "Kingdom of the Nouns". Basically you can't do anything (no verbs) unless you attach it to an object (noun). And there's lots of times you would just like code to do something.

62 posted on 04/18/2016 7:17:50 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Flick Lives

“I remember that Star Trek game! It was great.”

I was introduced to that game on an HP 2000 system. Learned BASIC on it. I think I still have a print out of it.


63 posted on 04/18/2016 7:25:37 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: IronJack
And never let a CSECT get beyond a 4k page frame.

Good old ALC... those were the days. Many times coding a change might take only 30 minutes, but the program was now large enough to need another base register. Since all the other registers were already in use you spent three more days slimming down all the old code.

64 posted on 04/18/2016 7:55:13 AM PDT by ken in texas
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To: CodeToad
I was introduced to that game on an HP 2000 system. Learned BASIC on it. I think I still have a print out of it.

I remember running Basic from a terminal connected to the mainframe somewhere else in the building in our school. I was trying out each of the commands in the Basic manual. I remember working my way down to a command that messaged the system operator. I was rather shocked to realize I'd contacted a human when after typing in the command I got back a message "what do you want?".

65 posted on 04/18/2016 9:06:14 AM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: billorites

OMG, I remember playing that game on my HP terminal back in the '80s.

The one that sticks in my memory - I to dock at a Star Base to refuel and rearm, but I came in too fast and wrecked the place. They declared me a renegade, closed all other Star Bases to me. I wandered around their universe for aid util my fuel ran out, and alas . . .

66 posted on 04/18/2016 9:26:31 AM PDT by Oatka (Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young.)
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To: DaxtonBrown
How I long for a simple PSET command that will put a dot on the screen so you can graph something wthout having to kill yourself.

I have a personal dialect of Lua that lets me draw graphs in the fashion of a Tek4010. I have variants that run on Windows (scribbling all over a command window), Linux (either directly on the frame buffer or in an X window) and VMS (either ReGIS to a DECterm or, again, in an X window).

I find it very useful. My cow-orkers range from amused by it to indifferent.

67 posted on 04/18/2016 9:35:19 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: AdmSmith
When I retired from the University of Dayton in 1993 I had what may have been the last box of punched cards in the world serving as a door stop.

I once acquired a program, Graphical Evaluation and Review Technique, abbreviated GERT. I had the program on punched cards in a box labeled GERT DECK. One day my wife saw it and asked, "Who is Gert Deck?" She accepted my explanation.

68 posted on 04/18/2016 3:31:10 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (,)
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

69 posted on 04/19/2016 4:50:11 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: AdmSmith

I speak COBOL and FORTRAN, I am available :)


70 posted on 04/19/2016 5:02:19 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

It’s been decades since I programed in COBOL but as I recall COBOL had primitive data objects, kindof like structures in C. Impressive considering COBOL evolved in the 50s.


71 posted on 04/19/2016 5:16:01 AM PDT by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: ShadowAce
Ah, FORTRAN, my first language, and the thing that launched my lifetime association with computers.

They say you never forget your first compiler.

It's true.

72 posted on 04/19/2016 5:35:59 AM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: ShadowAce; nuconvert; gandalftb
FORTRAN is still kicking. The latest revision of the language is Fortran 2018, and the next one, with the working title Fortran 202x, is planned for release in the next few years.

https://wg5-fortran.org/f202x.html

Remember the old days when debugging was an art https://twitter.com/KiwiEV/status/1404476456277659651

73 posted on 07/12/2021 10:34:34 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: billorites

TTTTJ


74 posted on 07/12/2021 10:46:32 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: AdmSmith

Did Fortran in college circa 1975. And yes punch cards were definitely involved. Much later messed around with VMS, MVS, PLx and Rexx at IBM on the 390. Super glad I can use modern tech in my day job now!


75 posted on 07/12/2021 10:53:16 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: AdmSmith

I headed a paper recycling drive in 1974, collected 42,000 pounds of punch cards from the comp sci basement at ISU.

No fun carrying punch cards around campus in the winter.


76 posted on 07/12/2021 4:06:02 PM PDT by gandalftb
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