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To: Just mythoughts

Where do you find the “born on U.S. soil” as a requirement for Natural Born? My constitution just says natural born, 35 years of age and resided in U.S. for 14 years. If both parents are U.S. citizens it does not matter “where” you are born, a ship at sea, Germany, an atol in the Pacfic you are a natural born U.S. citizen because BOTH of your parents are citizens of the U.S. and they confer citizenship to their offspring.


68 posted on 04/08/2016 3:28:46 AM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: mc5cents

“Where do you find the “born on U.S. soil” as a requirement for Natural Born? My constitution just says natural born, 35 years of age and resided in U.S. for 14 years. If both parents are U.S. citizens it does not matter “where” you are born, a ship at sea, Germany, an atol in the Pacfic you are a natural born U.S. citizen because BOTH of your parents are citizens of the U.S. and they confer citizenship to their offspring.”

No, that is a false statement, a mythology, and entirely wrong. During the last 700 years or more of English, British, and American history, no child born abroad has ever been a lawful natural born citizen, except those few born under the protection of diplomatic immunity. During some limited periods of time and under an assortment of changing laws, such children born abroad have sometimes been allowed to acquire the status of natural born subjects or naturalized citizens, but never has lawful natural born citizens without the exception of diplomatic immunity. The requirement is found in the naturalization acts legislated by Parliament and by Congress over the many centuries. There have been many decades in which a child born abroad one or two U.S. citizen parents did not acquire any U.S. citizenship, natural born or naturalized, because there was no U.S. Naturalization Act in effect to grant such children born abroad with naturalized U.S. citizenship.

See:

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857). “DANIEL, J., Separate Opinion. Mr. Justice DANIEL. . . . . [quoting Vattel] The citizens are the members of the civil society, bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority; they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.”

United State v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456, 42 L.Ed. “A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized....”


74 posted on 04/08/2016 4:33:07 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: mc5cents

I agree. “Under the jurisdiction” would apply as in English Law. I’m sure John Adams would agree. He lived abroad for many years in the service of our country along with his wife Abigail.


92 posted on 04/08/2016 7:07:16 AM PDT by Texas Yellow Rose
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