Posted on 04/07/2016 11:59:33 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
The resolution says he was born on base, but I have read a dozen times here that he was born in a hospital in the COUNTRY of Panama.
“Well it is not a problem because somehow all the Presidents so far have been born in America of two American parents.”
Not quite, because Chester Arthur was a British subject and had no lawful U.S. citizenship at all. Barack Hussein Obama was born a British subject with no lawful U.S. citizenship.
Again, link? What decision?
It's up to the drooling birfers to get their case before the Court. So far, their cases are being tossed long before reaching that level. Amusing to watch!
But, if a case ever makes it all the way, look for the Court to go by the rule NBC = entitled to citizenship by birth!
That would include Cruz, Rubio, Haley, Jindal, Obama, and, yes, even Just mythoughts (because dissing JMT would diss the children of thousands of deserving veterans).
“I seem to recall that the consensus of the amateur sleuths on FR is that McCain is NBC because he had TWO U.S. citizen parents, regardless of where he was born.”
John McCain acquired U.S. citizenship at birth by automatic naturalization at birth, so he is not and never could have been a natural born citizen under any circumstances. His two U.S. citizen and military parents qualified him to acquire naturalized U.S. citizenship, but his birth abroad without the protection of diplomatic immunity disqualified him for natural born citizenship.
“The problem with the resolution is there is no Constitutional authority for Congress or a Court to give or take ‘natural born’ US citizenship... What the Senate did was not Constitutional, but nobody, took notice, but said OK that makes sense.”
“Congress and the Courts are consistently making stuff up out of many threads of cloth of their own weaving, and call it ‘constitutional’.”
Exactly correct. The U.S. Government is corrupt, incompetent, and careening out of control.
John McCain was born from an American Military officer and citizen stationed abroad in Panama with his wife, another American Citizen.
What’s your point? You angling that John McCain is not an NBC? That won’t work. He is and it’s undeniable.
My Mother used to tell of my being on an exam table getting a shot in the butt when Japan's surrender was announced over the loudspeakers and my nurse ran into the hall rejoicing with everyone else... Unfortunately, she ran out of the room without removing a hypodermic from my butt cheeks! My Mother pulled it out! So, while everyone was cheering the surrender, I was screaming in pain!
An interesting story told at family gatherings for many years now!!!
Where do you find the “born on U.S. soil” as a requirement for Natural Born? My constitution just says natural born, 35 years of age and resided in U.S. for 14 years. If both parents are U.S. citizens it does not matter “where” you are born, a ship at sea, Germany, an atol in the Pacfic you are a natural born U.S. citizen because BOTH of your parents are citizens of the U.S. and they confer citizenship to their offspring.
Why does it matter to you? My daughter was born in Brindisi Italy, in an Italian hospital and is a natural born citizen because I was stationed there and me and her mother are both natural born citizens. Got birth certificates signed by Alexander Haig saying she’s one of us....
“ALL of Colon was part of the Panama Canal Zone. As you get into the 1945 era, there are parts of the area that were went from military-use to canal-use, and eventually flipped over to the Panama gov’t.”
You are mistaken. The Republic of Panama had the Colon Corridor running through the Canal Zone and connecting their sovereign territory Colon to the rest of the Republic of Panama. This corridor ran along the southern perimeter of the U.S. Navy Coco Solo South installation. A piece of the Reservation Line can be seen in the following map:
http://panamaliving.com/CSmap2.jpg
The Colon Hospital was located on the northern shore of the City of Colon in the sovereign territory of the Republic of Panama. See the confirmation in the postcards dating from those years.
http://www.coloncity.com/colonhospital.html
Also see the Panama Canal Treaty Map depicting the Colon Corridor.
http://members.tripod.com/william_h_ormsbee/treaty_trans_summ_mil_p01.htm
“Why does it matter to you? My daughter was born in Brindisi Italy, in an Italian hospital and is a natural born citizen because I was stationed there and me and her mother are both natural born citizens. Got birth certificates signed by Alexander Haig saying she’s one of us....”
No, that is a false statement. Unless you were a diplomat with your family under U.S. diplomatic immunity, your daughter born in Italy acquired U.S. citizenship by naturalization, which is the purpose of the Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA). She acquired U.S. citizenship by statutory naturalization under the authority of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act, which the Constitution granted only the enumerated power “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization” and not a uniform Rule of Natural Birth. You are confusing naturalized citizens with natural born citizens, which are exact opposites of each other.
No functional difference - my daughter is eligible to run for President.
I dunno.
I checked Article III - not there.
If you find something in the Constitution about the USSC "interpreting" it, let me know.
“Where do you find the “born on U.S. soil” as a requirement for Natural Born? My constitution just says natural born, 35 years of age and resided in U.S. for 14 years. If both parents are U.S. citizens it does not matter “where” you are born, a ship at sea, Germany, an atol in the Pacfic you are a natural born U.S. citizen because BOTH of your parents are citizens of the U.S. and they confer citizenship to their offspring.”
No, that is a false statement, a mythology, and entirely wrong. During the last 700 years or more of English, British, and American history, no child born abroad has ever been a lawful natural born citizen, except those few born under the protection of diplomatic immunity. During some limited periods of time and under an assortment of changing laws, such children born abroad have sometimes been allowed to acquire the status of natural born subjects or naturalized citizens, but never has lawful natural born citizens without the exception of diplomatic immunity. The requirement is found in the naturalization acts legislated by Parliament and by Congress over the many centuries. There have been many decades in which a child born abroad one or two U.S. citizen parents did not acquire any U.S. citizenship, natural born or naturalized, because there was no U.S. Naturalization Act in effect to grant such children born abroad with naturalized U.S. citizenship.
See:
Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857). “DANIEL, J., Separate Opinion. Mr. Justice DANIEL. . . . . [quoting Vattel] The citizens are the members of the civil society, bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority; they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.”
United State v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456, 42 L.Ed. “A person born out of the jurisdiction of the United States can only become a citizen by being naturalized....”
“No functional difference - my daughter is eligible to run for President.”
Only in your make believe imagination. Unless your daughter was born under the protection of diplomatic immunity, she is a naturalized U.S. citizen. Naturalized U.S. citizens are not eligible to serve as President.
sarcasm tag....don’t leave home without it.
If there is something that applies to somebody then that person is not a natural born citizen as nothing would be needed to be changed to make them one.
SEC. 2. Definition of “natural born citizen”.
Congress finds and declares that the term “natural born Citizen” in article II, section 1, clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States shall include: “Any person born to any citizen of the United States while serving in the active or reserve components of the United States Armed Forces”.
It never passed, but the change was attempted.
Someone falling under that category is not a natural born citizen as they need a law to make them one.
Does that include McCain?
“Someone falling under that category is not a natural born citizen as they need a law to make them one. “
It should also be noted the attempt to legislate such a law or such a Constitutional Amendment is itself unconstitutional. The Constitution did not grant the Congress the enumerated power to alter Natural Law. The Constitution only granted the Congress the power “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization”, which is the making of a naturalized citizen or unnatural citizen. Furthermore, no legislature can ever have the power to alter Natural Law, anymore than such an artificial statutory law can magically transform an adoptive mother into a natural mother or an adopted child into a natural child.
This was never passed either so....Cruz isn't a natural born citizen because he would fall under that proposed law.
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