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To: samtheman

Why all the hostility towards this car? I see nothing wrong with advancing technology forward. Sure, the gas powered cars are more efficient today and likely better for the environment. But technology is always improving. So a range of 230 miles today could be 500 plus miles later. A charging time of hours today could be minutes eventually. Let the early adopters buy this car and give Tesla an opportunity to improve on future models.


36 posted on 04/02/2016 8:58:18 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Delegates So Far: Trump (736); Cruz (463); Rubio (171); Kasich (143)
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To: SamAdams76
Why all the hostility towards this car? I see nothing wrong with advancing technology forward. Sure, the gas powered cars are more efficient today and likely better for the environment. But technology is always improving. So a range of 230 miles today could be 500 plus miles later. A charging time of hours today could be minutes eventually. Let the early adopters buy this car and give Tesla an opportunity to improve on future models.

All well and good but none of Tesla's quick swap battery station have succeeded. Not only that, but Tesla was getting something like 80 million a year California subsidy for setting up such swap stations. They set up one that was used minimally

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_station

 

40 posted on 04/02/2016 9:03:11 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: SamAdams76

Why all the hostility towards this car? I see nothing wrong with advancing technology forward.

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I suppose that’s the downside to conservatism. There is some downright hostility toward innovation, whether it’s technology or new economic markets. I’ve been seeing it for nearly 20 years here on FR.

I remember when Amazon was just a book seller, had no future, and certainly couldn’t justify its stock price.


41 posted on 04/02/2016 9:11:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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Isn’t it something? There’s a contingent of folks, I think, who tote a load of free-floating hammers, looking for a nail, any nail.


45 posted on 04/02/2016 9:16:16 AM PDT by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: SamAdams76

If I had the need for such a car I would buy it simply for its performance and because its called Tesla,a name I like for its history.


73 posted on 04/02/2016 9:40:42 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Sarah Palin: the best of the best. America: home of the free because of the brave.)
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Batteries are about as advanced as they can get without an entirely new paradigm coming forth, because there are physical limits as to how many electrons you can store in any container.


112 posted on 04/02/2016 10:53:02 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SamAdams76

Because it’s not about innovation or efficiency.

There are political aspects of this, and in particular, crony capitalism aspects.

There’s no debating the reality of energy density. Quite obviously, for vehicular use, higher energy density is a big advantage, since you need to haul your fuel around with you.

The energy density of lithium-ion batteries is about 1/100th of diesel fuel. For this reason, using them to power a vehicle is inefficient.

I don’t know why electric cars are being pushed so hard, and won’t propose a conspiracy theory. I just know they’re a fundamentally bad idea, at least until batteries are 100 times more efficient than they are presently.


117 posted on 04/02/2016 11:01:38 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: SamAdams76

“Why all the hostility towards this car?”

Could be the $4.9 Billion (and counting) in government subsidies this car has gotten.


129 posted on 04/02/2016 11:19:30 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: SamAdams76

Why all the hostility towards this car? I see nothing wrong with advancing technology forward. Sure, the gas powered cars are more efficient today and likely better for the environment. But technology is always improving. So a range of 230 miles today could be 500 plus miles later. A charging time of hours today could be minutes eventually. Let the early adopters buy this car and give Tesla an opportunity to improve on future models.


I am expressing skepticism, not hostility. Anyone who wants to buy one, it’s alright with me.

What is not alright with me is subsidies, hidden or otherwise.

Anyway, you do make good points about early adopters promoting growth of a technology... as long as it is not subsidized.


157 posted on 04/02/2016 3:14:48 PM PDT by samtheman (Trump For America.)
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Why all the hostility towards this car?

Because this car is generally seen as the embodiment of the greenie waste on electric cars: $7500 taxpayer funded rebates per car, $50Mil+ of its revenue comes from selling CA's carbon credits scheme, etc. The company wouldn't have survived on its own, without all the government propping it up.
189 posted on 04/03/2016 7:56:10 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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