I think back to the Tet Offensive in Vietnam when the ARVN rushed back to their units and destroyed the Viet Cong Main Force Army as reported by The Rand Corporation study and later by various VC and NVA memoirs. The worst loss was not their soldiers, but their loss of face. So while the media reported a quagmire, they saw rejection and the end of the effort for a successful insurgency. It seems we will never get it.