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Would You Feel Safe in a 40-Year-Old Submarine?
National Interest (Australia) ^ | March 7, 2016 | James Goldrick

Posted on 03/07/2016 7:31:11 PM PST by Pan_Yan

The current controversy over Australia’s Future Submarine Program, its schedule and the associated life-of-type of the current Collins class has resulted in much hyperbole as to the difficulties associated with keeping elderly boats in operation. A quick survey of the state of affairs in the major submarine operators overseas may provide some context to concerns that the Collins class will have to run for well over thirty years of service.

In the United States, four Los Angeles class nuclear powered attack submarines (SSNs) are scheduled for decommissioning in 2017 after thirty-six years’ service, while the hull life of the Ohio class nuclear powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) has been extended to forty-two years. There have and will be earlier removals from service, such as a thirty-three year old Los Angeles class unit in 2015 and a thirty-one year old boat in 2016, but it’s likely that thirty-four to thirty-five years will be the average as the SSN force changes over to the new, but less numerous Virginia class. The French are in much the same position. If the Barracuda class SSN program runs on time, the first of the earlier Rubis class will be replaced in service after thirty-four years in commission. If the current fleet of SSBN is replaced on schedule, this will happen around 2035, when the first of the Le Triomphant class will be thirty-eight years old.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: military; submarines; usn
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Stress cycles. That is all.
1 posted on 03/07/2016 7:31:11 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

I wouldn’t feel safe in ANY submarine.


2 posted on 03/07/2016 7:33:43 PM PST by madison10
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To: Pan_Yan

Only if it was Yellow.


3 posted on 03/07/2016 7:34:34 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Get Ready)
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To: Pan_Yan

the first 688 class (los angeles) subs were commisioned in 1976


4 posted on 03/07/2016 7:37:18 PM PST by jneesy (I want my country back and Trump is gonna give it to me)
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To: jneesy

I’m a plankowner of one of the last ones.


5 posted on 03/07/2016 7:38:57 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Sure. Just tell me what the examination of the HY-80 and HY-100 steel shows first.

And let’s stay away from crush depth.


6 posted on 03/07/2016 7:49:13 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Pan_Yan

As long as it stayed on the surface.


7 posted on 03/07/2016 7:50:48 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Of course I’d feel safe — as long as it stayed dockside and didn’t submerge.


8 posted on 03/07/2016 8:13:27 PM PST by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: Pan_Yan
didn't they have some issues while in transit from the UK?
9 posted on 03/07/2016 8:13:51 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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You would never get me in one.

I have fairly serious claustrophobia.


10 posted on 03/07/2016 8:17:48 PM PST by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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Aren’t they planning to keep the B-52 for 75-80 years before they retire?


11 posted on 03/07/2016 8:18:43 PM PST by jim_trent
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Planes can get re-skinned and have supports replaced. Not so easy on subs.


12 posted on 03/07/2016 8:20:41 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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Which they are you referring to?
13 posted on 03/07/2016 8:21:21 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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Maybe the submarine Seaview....especially if Barbara Eden was still onboard!


14 posted on 03/07/2016 8:40:15 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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Replacing wing spars and/or ribs on a B-52 would be comparable to shipyard work. Just not as much of it and certainly not as much cutting.


15 posted on 03/07/2016 8:49:09 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OMorgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: jim_trent

Yes, but with major upgrades and retro fitting.


16 posted on 03/07/2016 8:52:10 PM PST by Roger Kaputnik (Just because I'm paranoid doesn't prove that they aren't out to get me.)
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To: Pan_Yan
the Australians... i thought i read one of the subs had problems on the trip to Oz but on further reading i see they are home built so i was wrong

maybe i was thinking of the Victoria-class boats the Canadians bought that had all the problems

17 posted on 03/07/2016 8:55:38 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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sorry, I’m not a Navy guy, so I have to ask: What is a plankowner?


18 posted on 03/07/2016 9:29:21 PM PST by Bubba Gump Shrimp (noob)
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” an individual who was a member of the crew of a United States Navy ship or United States Coast Guard cutter when that ship was placed in commission”


19 posted on 03/07/2016 9:32:34 PM PST by Pelham (more than election. Revolution)
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To: yarddog

I like scary tight spots. I like spelunking and crawling through caves on my belly. Always have.

However, I was allowed on a sub (I think it was the USS Bluefin, last of the diesels) when I was about 20. It was a surreal experience. It was definitely unsafe - every few feet I hit my head, and pipes/equipment were coming out from everywhere - you either had to duck under them or step over them constantly. The interior smelled of sweat and chemicals. It was an oppressive experience.

I cannot fathom going to sea in that.


20 posted on 03/07/2016 9:45:02 PM PST by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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