Free Republic 2016 Caucus Open Discussion Thread XXXVIII

Free Republic ^ | 25 February 2016 | Windflier

[stocksthatgoup]

Details? Just as soon as Hillary and Bernie give details. Why show your hand before the game begins? The Art of the Deal!!!!!

[JustAmy]

I guess, but I would like to hear more than the same old words. JustMe.

[Lonely Bull]

Table 1: Free Republic Caucus 2016 threads, most recent 15 days

Date	Voting thread	Discussion thread	Results [on www.hotr.us]	Sequence no.
2/26	[link]	[link]	[available later]	38
2/25	[link]	[link]	[link]	37
2/24	[link]	[link]	[link]	36
2/23	[link]	[link]	[link]	35
2/22	[link]	[link]	[link]	34
2/21	[link]	[link]	[link]	33
2/20	[link]	[link]	[link]	32
2/19	[link]	[link]	[link]	31
2/18	[link]	[link]	[link]	30
2/17	[link]	[link]	[link]	29
2/16	[link]	[link]	[link]	28
2/15	[link]	[link]	[link]	27
2/14	[link]	[link]	[link]	26
2/13	[link]	[link]	[link]	25
2/12	[link]	[link]	[link]	24

Table 2: tables with older threads

Dates	Table	Sequence nos.
2/10 - 2/24	[link]	22-36
2/03 - 2/17	[link]	15-29
1/27 - 2/10	[link]	8-22
1/20 - 2/03	[link]	1-15

[justlittleoleme]

He did do poorly... But trumpbots hit the polls in force as always.

[Wingy]

Just telling you, the public doesn’t see it like Freepers do.

Truer words were never spoken, and that will be Trumps undoing. When it come down to D vs R, the press will abandon Donald and he will go down the drain. He has a message and a method of delivering it that excites the press and gets him plenty of airtime, but when the rubber meets the road (R vs D) that airtime will dry up and we will start to see 'in depth' news pieces about his business practices, his 4 wives, his taxes, and his many lawsuits. They did this to McCain. During the primaries he was a war hero and a respected member of the Senate, but as soon a Obama was on the same stage, he was an old dried up very uncool guy. All you guys that love Trump, and I liked him for quite a while, please beware of buyers remorse.

Think about it fellow Freepers.

[Windflier]

Those online polls are what propelled Ron Paul on to the presidency.

The difference (which you're studiously avoiding) is that Trump is winning the voting polls, too.

[Charles Henrickson]

Trump has won minority pluralities in three early states. Most Republicans don’t want him.

[Windflier]

He did do poorly... But trumpbots hit the polls in force as always.

So why don't the Cruz supporters show up in their millions to vote for Ted in these online after debate polls? Or, more importantly, the voting booth?

Heck, they don't even show up to vote in our own FR Caucus.

Could it be there simply aren't enough of them to win anything?

[DoughtyOne]

Trump is about to beat Rubio by 20 points in Rubio’s home state of Florida.

Rubio will be political road-kill after Super Tuesday.

[3D-JOY]

Most Republicans do not want a Republican any more!

[Windflier]

The press already hates Donald. Just like they do every Republican. In case you hadn’t noticed, he’s been at war with them since day one of this primary.

Sure they’re going to go all out to get him in the general. Just like they do to EVERY Republican nominee.

What do you want us to do? Switch from Trump to Cruz, because the press is going to treat him ever so much better?

What a laugh. They’ll filet him and throw him on the grill at 400 degrees. The press has already put Trump through that process, and haven’t been able to hurt him. If they hit him, he’ll only hit back harder. And the people will love him for it.

[Windflier]

Trump has won minority pluralities in three early states. Most Republicans don't want him.

Uh-huh. What's that say about Ted and Marco?

Booyah!

[RC one]

Honestly, I think we’re at a point where debate performace is decreasingly relevant. Nothing said at this point is going to significantly change the final outcome one way or the other.

[RC one]

the same was true for Romney and yet...

[Charles Henrickson]

What's that say about Ted and Marco?

It says that they, along with a few others, have been splitting the majority of voters who do not want Trump.

[Gaffer]

It doesn’t matter to me now. I voted early for ST in Georgia earlier in the week.

[Gaffer]

I think you’re correct about that. If you think about it, say for Drudge’s polls, the number of voters on that one thing starts to approach the entire membership of FR - well, at least half.

If you look at the FR caucus votes, there seems to be a cadre of Trump/Cruz voters who actively vote day-by-day - the number is usually under 200 total now and started out from highs approaching 300.....

The point is that we are viewing this race from two perches and don’t really delve down into the real thing that is pushing the people voting for Trump - anger. Unmitigated anger at what DC has done to them, lying through their teeth while doing it.

There is extremely agitated counter-wailing between two factions here, by the looks of the FR Poll trend about 3:1 Trump-Cruz. In short, a few dozen Cruz supporters spending all their time venting their frustration at 3X as many Trump people with cat fight threads that regularly reach over 100 posts, multiple times a day.

Frankly, as much as I love FR, it isn’t the definitive barometer of what’s going to take the nomination. Actually, if the most agitated and ardent of these dozens spent their time out on the web in more circulated social media, their arguments might be more effective and convince more people to their cause. As it is now, now matter what is said isn’t going to change anything on Tuesday, nor will it change anything on up to the nomination convention. All it will do is create bad blood here; personally, I think so much attention between Trump and Cruz minutiae would be better spent on getting a better bead on Rubio before he takes out Cruz.

[Windflier]

“...they, along with a few others, have been splitting the majority of voters who do not want Trump.”

Alright. Who do the people really want?

Can’t be Ted or Marco, because an even larger majority of voters are rejecting them.

You’re trying to make the case that, if either Ted or Marco were to drop out, the remaining one would reap the other’s votes. Well, twelve candidates have now left the race. Why haven’t Ted or Marco benefited more from the exit of those splitters?

It’s because the Cause of their failures to catch fire has nothing to do with that.

You’re using desperation logic, which fails to find the true cause of your candidate’s lagging numbers. Attempting to solve a problem by attacking the wrong cause only results in more failure. Identify correct Cause, then work to handle that. It’s the only way to achieve real victory.

[Charles Henrickson]

No one, as yet, has been able to get a majority in any of the few states so far. When one candidate starts getting a majority of the votes in a majority of the states, then we will know who is very likely to be the nominee. But that has not happened yet. I’ve said for months that we should have a better idea of that after March 15.

[Windflier]

“No one, as yet, has been able to get a majority in any of the few states so far. When one candidate starts getting a majority of the votes in a majority of the states, then we will know who is very likely to be the nominee.”

Well, Trump’s share of the vote has continued to rise with every passing contest. Unless something drastically changes, he’ll continue to do so. Based on the performances of all the candidates thus far, we already know who’s very likely to be the nominee, and that’s Trump.