Posted on 02/08/2016 9:03:45 AM PST by Nextrush
Nearly 40 days into the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Harney County, Oregon, both sides appear to wearing thin on patience. In a series of videos released Sunday one of the remaining militants inside the refuge called on federal authorities to leave the state and people to take up arms and join their cause. "The feds, if you're watching this, p*** off. Do your job. Get the hell out of Oregon, get the hell out of all of the states," David Fry said.
Meanwhile, the law enforcement roadblock around the refuge appeared to take on a new level of seriousness over the weekend with the addition of a sign warning of potential consquences for anyone who attempts to unlawfully pass the roadblock.
As the standoff between the occupiers and law enforcement continues, here's what you need to know about recent developments.
(Excerpt) Read more at opb.org ...
But it points out a ratcheting up on both sides of the siege line. Not good news....
He's got a point.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 prohibits the federal government from owning or controlling any property other than the 10 square miles that make up Washington, D.C., and ports and forts.
Constitutional Scholar KrisAnne Hall spells it out in this video....
How are those inside the refuge ratcheting things up? Do they own the Humvees? Are they blocking road? Are they threatening motorists with arrest if they drive on roads built with their tax dollars?
It didn’t take more than 15 minutes for topics to be taken out of this story.
My earlier post of the day compiling different aspects of the story in a vanity post, is at the link below.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3394317/posts?page=15
Thanks for the link. Good stuff.
The occupiers seem to be the testy ones, based on the quotes.
I guess my characterization is based on a call for help coming from inside the siege line in the videos.
They want patriots to come out and help.
I could support non-violent acts to help them and would have to accept any violence that may develop.
I believe violence would be dangerous and have political consequences, that’s why Pacific Patriots Network, Idaho III Percent and Oath Keepers don’t want to do anything other than remove the four from the occupation and end it.
Who cares about the 50 plus years of federal land grabbing hurting the farmers and ranchers emulating treatment of Native Americans either side of 150 years ago?
The farmers and ranchers are being driven by the federal government into ‘reservations’ and poverty.
Its amazing how history seems to repeat itself?
“How are those inside the refuge ratcheting things up? DO
THEY OWN THE HUMVEES? Are they blocking road? Are they
threatening motorists with arrest if they drive on roads
with THEIR TAX DOLLARS?”
(Bears repeating with emphasis!)
The first roadblock with the illuminated sign now added warning people that they are ‘subject to arrest’ if they pass it is symbolic of the FBI side’s ratcheting up.
There’s a picture of that on the right side of the story I posted if you use the link to it.
They're not just grabbing the land for the sake of grabbing the land. They are selling rights to the natural resources contained on or in that land to foreign governments for donations to certain "charitable" organizations like The Clinton Foundation.
The Hammonds were jailed for accidentally burning 100 acres of "federal" (placed in quotation marks because there's no such thing) while nobody at The EPA was even fired for polluting millions of gallons of a river in Colorado a few months ago.
It says exercise like legislative control over all places purchased by consent of the legislature. What if the government didn't purchase the property but instead owned the land before the state was created? And what if as part of their enabling act the state gave up all claims to federal property within its borders? That land would still be the property of the federal government to do with as they wished.
OK
Once a territory becomes a state, the federal government has no claims to the property except for use as ports or forts.
The property belongs to the state. I can't explain it as well as she does.
Can’t thank you enough for posting Kris Anne’s video and making us familiar with her Excellent instruction about the US Constitution and limits of Federal power.
Her videos in my opinion are a must see.
I'm sure she does.
Once a territory becomes a state, the federal government has no claims to the property except for use as ports or forts.
Sure they do. When Congress passes an enabling act that admits a state, in addition to establishing the borders it specifies what property the federal government is turning over to the states for its purposes, usually to fund establishing a capitol and infrastructure. Oregon was no different. All property not already privately owned or deeded to the state remained the property of the federal government.
The property belongs to the state. I can't explain it as well as she does.
Well she gives her opinion, and that and $4.50 will get her a latte at Starbucks. That doesn't make her right.
Article IV, Section 3 says "Congress shall have power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory or other property belonging to the United States..." There is nothing in that clause, or any other clause in the Constitution, that prevents the government from continuing to own property within the borders of a state once that state has been admitted.
You might as well beat your head against the wall.
Thanks for the link.
Probably. But it's still worth trying...up to a point.
Everyone involved knows exactly the consequences of attempting to pass a federal roadblock.
Ah. Very clever how you conveniently fail to capitalize the words Territory and Property as well as forgetting to include the rest of the clause.
Again, KrisAnne explains why those words are capitalized and she explains the ENTIRE clause.
Do yourself a favor. Watch the video. You might actually learn something.
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