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These things were all over the map. No one thing stood out, and not all of them are related, although some are. These questions just kind of popped into my head, and I really didn't have an answer for them. Among them: Welfare and associated programs: I know many conservatives want ALL social services shut down. Section 8, food stamps, Medicare, etc. What replaces them? I know there's a majority of conservatives who say welfare should be handled by the churches, but where does that leave housing? Food? Necessary medical care?

Jobs and Wages: Getting rid of illegals and foreign workers will help get jobs back into the hands of Americans, no doubt about it. What about the wages? I have seen a lot of arguments about how much workers should be paid, and I have NOT seen a consensus. I know the idea for a business is to make money for those who own the business. Even so, a worker needs to be paid enough to live. I know, and anyone with a brain and the ability to do math can see that paying $15-an-hour to flip burgers or serve coffee is insane. Even so, there's no possible way a man can work an 8 to 10-hour day and feed a family of four and pay the bills for keeping a decent home running on $3-an-hour...or even $5-an-hour. And the workers themselves...the statements are made that "If they want more money, they'll have to want to better themselves, get training, and get a better job". Great conservative principle...in theory. Yes, there are those capable of doing so...but there are also those, due to lack of physical ability, or lack of mental ability, who can't. What about them?

Families: I am thinking about the young people out there. They are addicted to technology...or at least, social media, video games, and the like. They have little to no idea how to interact with society. You try taking the tech and the games away from them, and there's going to be trouble. Many fathers and/or mothers are unable or unwilling to deal with the grief that will surely follow. "Discipline them!", you might say. That's all well and good, but these days all a kid has to do is tell a teacher or other authority figure that Daddy or Mommy spanks them (or "beats" them) or grounds them or whatever, and the next thing you know Child Protective Services shows up, takes the kid away, and possibly even presses charges against the parent for child abuse. How do we deal with getting the kids back on track to grow up into 'normal' adults? How do we deal with the backlash that's sure to come from the kids when parents try to take the reins over their families again? How do we give the power back to the parents and adults?

These thoughts bug me because even if conservatives win the elections (Presidential or otherwise), these issues WILL eventually come up and need to be answered. I know there are answers out there...I just can't see them right now.

Do you have any thoughts about this?

1 posted on 02/06/2016 10:15:08 AM PST by hoagy62
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To: hoagy62
"Do you have any thoughts about this? "

Yes. Vote for Bernie.

2 posted on 02/06/2016 10:24:08 AM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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What if we win? Consider the rethoric of the left: it is that of the religious fanatic. In their view literally Evil would be ascendant. War. that’s where we are headed and nothing can stop it.


3 posted on 02/06/2016 10:28:05 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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Look into the benevolent societies that existed before the great depression. All localized.

During the gd, it was worth it for gov to step into the role of charity as charities dried up when the middle class tightened its pocketbook.

Prob is, when the gd ended, gov never stepped out. Just kept piling on.

Bored/lazy kids is not really the govs prob to solve. However, get rid of all those mandatory auto regs that aren’t really needed and the guys at least will be able to get cars to work on.


5 posted on 02/06/2016 10:28:55 AM PST by fruser1
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1. I agree on jobs and illegals. A conservative president should deport all illegals, secure the border, cancel all executive amnesty for illegals, and compel “sanctuary cities” to follow immigration law.

2. Cut the size of government, and eliminate whole departments/agencies. It’s a whole lot easier to support yourself and your family on whatever income if taxes are lower. Taking the rich doesn’t help either, since they pass that cost along to those who pay them, which is eventually the working class.

3. Repeal the vast majority of restrictions on our individual, God-given right to keep and bear arms. We need to make sure that the next time America’s enemies on the left start tightening that ratchet, it starts out very loose.

4. Repeal Obamacare (not repeal and replace, just repeal). That added cost to hiring is discouraging the creation of new jobs, which hurts those looking for work. Additionally, Obamacare policies provide insurance, but they often provide no accessible care. Particularly those on subsidized plans cannot afford the time needed to get to the few in-network providers for those plans.

After that, we can look into the right agenda to make government work better on what it is supposed to do. The problem now is that it is doing so much it shouldn’t that there is no room for the right thing too.


6 posted on 02/06/2016 10:31:26 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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If you think we need a “consensus” about what people should be paid, you don’t know anything about economics. Or freedom.


7 posted on 02/06/2016 10:33:00 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: hoagy62
Seems to me that the welfare should be for those who cannot work, not for those who will not work. Why is the world would you think any differently. Cannot understand how you don't understand that.

Also, technology is not an enemy to be taken from children it is something that can be harnessed to make them even better. Years ago my friend would tell me how smart their children/grandchildren where when it comes to technology. I would always ask if they were designing technology or just good at turning stuff off and on. There is a difference, you know.

I suggest conservatism means leaving people alone to live their lives.

8 posted on 02/06/2016 10:33:09 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (Barrak has now won the contest. He is even worse than Jimmah.)
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5 or more unnecessary government agencies closed (Dept. of Education, Dept. of Energy, EPA, IRS, just to name a few)

How likely is that to happen?

Even Reagan didn't do that.

10 posted on 02/06/2016 10:42:59 AM PST by x
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To ignore the moral shift as our society turned fom God to an agnostic viewpoint, is to work with the effect and ignore the cause. Society worked then because is personal responsibility and work ethic, it fails now because of a lack thereof.

We shifted to a welfare state, and corrupted legislature to support a lack of ethics.

You are wise to see getting a new car with no gasoline is worthless.


12 posted on 02/06/2016 10:46:55 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.


13 posted on 02/06/2016 10:53:17 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I?)
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To: hoagy62
What about the wages? I have seen a lot of arguments about how much workers should be paid,

In a free rational society, the free market will take care of this.

15 posted on 02/06/2016 11:16:25 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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DEFUND socialist collectives foreign and domestic. DOWNSIZE/DEFUND/DISMANTLE all agencies, bureaucracies, ngos as needed to place the republic on a road to solvency (reversing debt clock). Limit all government work to “x” number of years (2-5) with good pay and no lifetime retirement/medical/pension benefits (no legacy costs). Prison for anyone in government (including judges) abusing constitutional limitations, especially spending us into an uncertain future with debt slavery. Enemies foreign - declare the war - obliterate.


17 posted on 02/06/2016 12:21:54 PM PST by PGalt
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To: hoagy62

What’s that old Kenny Rogers song where he says you do not count your chips at the table? You are getting WAAAAY ahead of yourself there. There are too many factors. You can’t plan too far ahead.

Treat it like driving a car at night. Just focus on what are lights are seeing on the road.

If it goes our way in November, then we can war game it on who to put in place, etc...

There is no point in getting way ahead of yourself. Just spinning your wheels.


19 posted on 02/06/2016 12:37:19 PM PST by Enlightened1
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No conservative politician, coalition or agenda will prevent the inevitable collapse or civil war. Might delay it, but won't prevent it.

On the other hand a conservative president might actually hasten a collapse. The globalists would love to trigger an collapse during a convervative presidency so that he can be blamed.

22 posted on 02/06/2016 1:32:43 PM PST by matt1234 (Note to GOPe lurkers: I and thousands like me will NEVER vote for Jeb Bush)
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a worker needs to be paid enough to live

I think you have that backwards. A worker needs to be able to live on what they earn. If the best you can, or are willing to do is flip burgers, then you should not, not, not be responsible for a family of four (and actually, you aren't). Flipping burgers is for teenagers who live at home, or have roommates and eat ramen noodles.

24 posted on 02/06/2016 2:21:27 PM PST by Darth Reardon (During the Great Depression, World War I was referred to as the Great War)
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