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School books CAN call D-Day 'invasion': Berlin court
TheLocal.de ^ | 04 Feb 2016 14:22 GMT+01:00

Posted on 02/05/2016 10:15:37 AM PST by Olog-hai

A parent demanded that a book taught at his son's school which described the Second World War D-Day landings as an invasion be taken off the curriculum. A Berlin court disagreed.

The history book taught in his son's school described the Normandy landings, in which the Allied forces made the biggest amphibious landing in history on France's Atlantic coast, as an "invasion".

This was both inappropriate and an insult to the soldiers who died in the assault, said the Kreuzberg parent.

The Allies could not be seen as invaders because they were liberating an occupied land, he argued. ...

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TOPICS: Education; History; Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: dday; germany; historicalrevision; invasion
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To: Olog-hai

Depends on the semantics of “invasion.” It matters whether the term is intended to reflect what happened militarily or politically. Militarily, it absolutely qualified as an “invasion.” From the point of view of the Nazis, it also qualified as one politically.


21 posted on 02/05/2016 10:34:14 AM PST by sourcery (Without the right to self defense, there can be no rights at all.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Also the bit with the young Sean Connery.


22 posted on 02/05/2016 10:34:17 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: PAR35

What French government was in power? The Vichys held no power.


23 posted on 02/05/2016 10:34:21 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

For a long time the US actually recognized Vichy as the legitimate government of France.

A very interesting event took place in our backyard, that few knew about.

The Liberation of Saint Pierre and Miquelon
http://worldatwar.net/article/miquelon/


24 posted on 02/05/2016 10:36:32 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai

Eisenhower called it a Crusade. Everyone else called it an Invasion. You are the one that’s trying to re-write history to fit your agenda.

Contemporary press called it an invasion. (And the Jewish owned New York Times was very much anti-Hitler).
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0606.html


25 posted on 02/05/2016 10:36:33 AM PST by PAR35
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To: dfwgator

That wouldn’t surprise me out of FDR.


26 posted on 02/05/2016 10:37:20 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Invasion? No way! 6939 ships just sort of lost their way and ended up there. “Directions? You want me to go ashore and ask for directions? I’ll show you how to ask for directions!” And the rest is history.


27 posted on 02/05/2016 10:38:46 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Olog-hai

Well....we call it the D-Day Invasion too.

Dont we?


28 posted on 02/05/2016 10:46:09 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

I’ve always heard “landing of the Allies” or similar terms. And when we went into places such as Italy and Germany, that was termed “invasion”.


29 posted on 02/05/2016 10:48:51 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: dfwgator

Many folks also dont know that U-Boats made it into the St. Lawrence River in Canada a good distance and sunk a number of ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_St._Lawrence


30 posted on 02/05/2016 10:50:23 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

100 years from now there will be a debate on whether Eurasia and Oceana are still at war.


31 posted on 02/05/2016 10:51:00 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (The Trump/Cruz war is a media generated war so the establishment can stay in power.)
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To: dfwgator

Arguably the best scene in a overall great movie.


32 posted on 02/05/2016 10:51:51 AM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal! ,)
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To: MotorCityBuck

Yep, when you hear those first few notes of Beethoven’s Fifth, and then suddenly out of nowhere all those ships, no wonder Pluskat freaked out.


33 posted on 02/05/2016 10:56:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: MotorCityBuck

What I also liked about it, is that it actually showed the Germans as human beings, instead of as caricatures.


34 posted on 02/05/2016 10:58:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai

Ah. I see the problem. You haven’t studied modern European history. I probably need to start at a fairly elementary level with you.

Petain became Premiere of France June 16, 1940. He agreed to a temporary armistice with Germany on June 22, 1940 which left the French government intact, but permitted German occupation of designated territory still considered under French government. (translation available here: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/wwii/frgearm.asp . The French fleet remained under French command subject to remaining in designated ports. On the other hand, all airfields, even in un-occupied France passed to German control.

The situation was modified as German and Italian troops moved into southern France following the poor showing of French troops against the green American troops in North Africa, but the 1940 French government remained intact.

The French government was finally dissolved in December, 1944.


35 posted on 02/05/2016 11:00:02 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Olog-hai
Allied forces made the biggest amphibious landing in history on France's Atlantic coast

Bzzzzzt! Nice try and thanks for playing.

The persistence of this error is astonishing.
1.) Operation Husky (Invasion of Sicily): 160,000 men.
2.) Operation Overlord (Invasion of Occupied Europe): 156,000 men.

36 posted on 02/05/2016 11:02:01 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: PAR35

Puppet governments are not governments. The pattern of Roman client states was being followed here.


37 posted on 02/05/2016 11:12:14 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Then the same applied to all of the Captive Nations behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War.


38 posted on 02/05/2016 11:13:09 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Given the doctrinal penchant for centralization there, that looks about right.


39 posted on 02/05/2016 11:14:26 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Mind you I was born after WWII, but I have always heard D-Day referred to as an invasion. Of course I have no clue what Bolshevik is taught to our children today.
40 posted on 02/05/2016 11:21:42 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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