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1 posted on 02/03/2016 5:45:03 AM PST by xzins
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2 posted on 02/03/2016 5:45:29 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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What utter b.s.! The presumption of this 'Cruz cheated meme' is that Carson supporters are such mindless robots that they can be conned out of their votes by the first fast-talking Cruz supporter they meet. Didn't the Carson supporters have their own smartphones? If you walk into caucus as a gung-ho Carson supporter, and someone tells you that your man is dropping out, how hard would it have been to whip out your phone and run a Google search?

This is the most pathetic, sore-loser story that I've ever heard. We're into Al Gore territory here.
3 posted on 02/03/2016 5:52:14 AM PST by irishjuggler
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The premise of the entire column is a lie.

How could ‘The Body of Christ’ be involved in cheating?


12 posted on 02/03/2016 6:20:08 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( (The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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I live here in Iowa, and was at my local caucus on monday night.

there was NO mention of this carson thing there...in fact, the first I heard of it was tuesday, on FR

I suppose that you can slice and dice the vote tallys and come to the conclusion that 4 flipped votes per precinct would have changed the election result, but I am here to tell you that this Carson thing was not a factor. If it was, it was not enough to flip the election to trump

repub caucus voters...(in IA, you have to be declared to vote in Caucus), turned out 180,000 strong across the state....that is a RECORD turnout for GOP in IA caucus. 40k more than the communist turnout, statewide.

trump finished 5k behind cruz. in my precinct, he came in third, behind cruz AND rubio.

rubio won most of the major urban centers, as did bernie. des moines, davenport, cedar rapids. that said, the rural voters turned out in droves, and overrode that, by voting for cruz and trump.

THAT is something that should be noted.

not trying to be a d^&$, just laying out some facts here, from being on the ground here in IA.


14 posted on 02/03/2016 6:34:44 AM PST by QualityMan (I will not comply.)
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Nonsense.

The Carson ‘news’ was spread only in a few suburban precincts, where Carson had very little support to start with.
I know Carson supporters. They would not be dissuaded by someone’s tweet.


16 posted on 02/03/2016 6:39:51 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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Don’t you guys realize that all of this spilled milk that people are crying over only minimally affects convention vote count?

It would probably be just one vote.


24 posted on 02/03/2016 6:55:02 AM PST by chopperman
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A couple of sources with some info but not necessarily data
that will be certified as final.

precinct results
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/01/us/iowa-caucus-republican-precinct-results.html

county results:
http://graphics.latimes.com/election-2016-iowa-results/


27 posted on 02/03/2016 7:00:42 AM PST by deport
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It’s almost certain that the misbehavior in the Cruz camp didn’t change the outcome.

But that doesn’t excuse what the Cruz people did.

They took a report on CNN and read something into it that wasn’t there.

And instead of verifying the facts, in the heat of the moment, they ran with it to get the maximum possible advantage that they could.

It doesn’t matter whether 1 vote or 10,000 changed over this.

Cruz said it was “fair game”, which says a lot about his character.


29 posted on 02/03/2016 7:08:44 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Falcon 105)
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To: xzins
Never thought much of the caucus process. Used to have it here in Oklahoma, back then I was a registered Dem...went to one caucus and it was a circus, really strange. Next year moved to another precinct and tried to find the location of the caucus, it was impossible to find, even talked with the home (?) where it was being held and their direction led me down dark country roads. I finally realized they didn't want someone they weren't sure of, as in sure how I would vote. Caucuses are easily manipulated. I'm waiting for a real out and out primary to see what shake out.
36 posted on 02/03/2016 7:48:05 AM PST by pepperdog ( I still get a thrill up my leg when spell check doesn't recognize the name/word Obama!)
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I plan to watch BOR tonight because like him or not, last night he promised Dr. Carson he would thoroughly investigate the incident and air his findings.

As it stands right now, it seems that Cruz backer, Iowa Congressman King, cherry picked 1 of 3 Tweets by a CNN journalist I think, which set the whole damn, deplorable lie in motion.

Ted Cruz had no idea about the lie.

Congressman King? He’s another matter.


39 posted on 02/03/2016 7:57:12 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE MAKE YOUR DONATION TODAY - GO MONTHLY - JOIN CLUB 300!)
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Fwiw, Carson actually exceeded polling averages done the prior week. At least according to Real Clear Politics: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html


47 posted on 02/03/2016 8:08:15 AM PST by Lakeshark
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Cruz got the most delegates in Iowa.

He would have still gotten the most delegates in Iowa, if he hadn’t lied about Carson.

But Cruz is still a sleazeball and a liar. Some people don’t care they will support him anyways and they will deserve what they get.

Trump still has the support to win this, he needs to move on from Iowa and focus on winning.


68 posted on 02/03/2016 9:16:31 AM PST by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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Good analysis. I did a similar one yesterday and noted it on FR. If 3 or 4 percent of Carson's supporters had gone to Cruz, due to the dirty trick, that would represent Cruz's winning margin over Trump and would also validate entrance polling results.

Carson even after the dirty trick was almost in double digits; considering there are people still campaigning with low single digits, it strains credulity to think that Carson, fourth and almost in double digits in Iowa, would quit the race. That it was INNOCENTLY and benignly suggested as realistic is an insult to people's intelligence.

It's quite reasonable to think that Carson was at 13, 14 or even 15 percent PRIOR to the Cruz dirty trick.

103 posted on 02/03/2016 11:18:19 AM PST by gg188 (Ted Cruz, R - Goldman Sachs)
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