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An Issue With the Republican Iowa Caucuses: What were the real vote totals?
Reflection ^ | 3 Feb 16 | Xzins

Posted on 02/03/2016 5:45:03 AM PST by xzins

1. Wikipedia says: "The Iowa Caucus[1] is an electoral event in which residents of the U.S. state of Iowa meet in precinct caucuses in all of Iowa's 1,681 precincts and elect delegates to the corresponding county conventions."

2. Ted Cruz's ground game was said to be massive and the explanation for his victory. He had workers at all precincts.

3. Ted Cruz apologized for his workers spreading misinformation about Ben Carson dropping out of the race. Carson says this misinformation affected vote totals.

4. http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cnsnewscom-staff/iowa-cruz-278-trump-244-rubio-229-carson-93-paul-45

Cruz had 51,416--or 27.7 percent--of the votes.

Trump was second with 45,245 or 24.3 percent of the votes.

Rubio was third with 42,863 or 23.1 percent of the votes.

Dr. Ben Carson was fourth with 17,321 or 9.3 percent of the votes.

5. If each precinct has a caucus and there are 1681 precincts, as stated by point #1, then one vote lost per precinct to the misinformation campaign totaled 1681 votes possibly added to Cruz's total.

6. Since Cruz's lead was only 6200 votes, that would mean only about 4 vote changes per precinct.

7. This calls into question the size of Cruz's victory, the size of Carson's loss, and the number of delegates apportioned.

8. Question: Should that be acknowledge by the Republican Party in a public news release?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; Local News
KEYWORDS: carson; causus; coinflips; cruz; electionfraud; fraud; govtabuse; iowa; iowacaucus; misinformation; nocoinflips; rubio; trump; voterfraud
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1 posted on 02/03/2016 5:45:03 AM PST by xzins
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To: All; Girlene

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2 posted on 02/03/2016 5:45:29 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins
What utter b.s.! The presumption of this 'Cruz cheated meme' is that Carson supporters are such mindless robots that they can be conned out of their votes by the first fast-talking Cruz supporter they meet. Didn't the Carson supporters have their own smartphones? If you walk into caucus as a gung-ho Carson supporter, and someone tells you that your man is dropping out, how hard would it have been to whip out your phone and run a Google search?

This is the most pathetic, sore-loser story that I've ever heard. We're into Al Gore territory here.
3 posted on 02/03/2016 5:52:14 AM PST by irishjuggler
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To: Jane Long; BlackFemaleArmyCaptain; irishjuggler

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Irish: It is IRRELEVANT what we think. Ted Cruz ACTUALLY DID issue an apology. I can provide the link if you like.


4 posted on 02/03/2016 5:56:00 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: irishjuggler

When it comes out of the mouth of someone who is billed as a ‘principled Christian’, I’m sure there were enough people that would not doubt his word at the time. I’m sure they have learned their lesson now though.


5 posted on 02/03/2016 5:57:45 AM PST by MagnoliaB (You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you might find, you get what you need.)
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To: MagnoliaB

I hope so. I hope people now will not believe a word Cruz says without independent verification.


6 posted on 02/03/2016 6:03:26 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: irishjuggler
What utter b.s.! The presumption of this 'Cruz cheated meme' is that Carson supporters are such mindless robots that they can be conned out of their votes by the first fast-talking Cruz supporter they meet.

I would love to hear from one Carson supporter that he/she received the tweet of a Cruz campaign operative, and then responded by giving up.

7 posted on 02/03/2016 6:04:47 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: xzins; Jane Long; irishjuggler

We all will have to answer to God one day, including Cruz. IMHO, by his actions, he presents himself as someone he may not truly be. Sad. He was my second choice.


8 posted on 02/03/2016 6:06:29 AM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel ("God only is my Rock and my Salvation; He is my Defence." (Psa 62:2))
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

I am glad he apologized.

But, like with Zacheus in the tree, true repentance wants to make right what had been done wrong. It want’s restitution for those who have been injured. It’s all over the bible as a mark of true repentance.

That would mean at a minimum that changed vote totals be acknowledged. There might be no way to rectify that, but an acknowledgement of it is not hard at all.


9 posted on 02/03/2016 6:09:08 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: The_Victor

Once Cruz apologized, individual details don’t matter. Cruz says it happened.


10 posted on 02/03/2016 6:10:25 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

Amen.


11 posted on 02/03/2016 6:14:36 AM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel ("God only is my Rock and my Salvation; He is my Defence." (Psa 62:2))
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To: xzins

The premise of the entire column is a lie.

How could ‘The Body of Christ’ be involved in cheating?


12 posted on 02/03/2016 6:20:08 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( (The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

You’ll have to explain. I’m not sure what you are saying. Seriously. This is not a ‘gotcha’.


13 posted on 02/03/2016 6:22:34 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

I live here in Iowa, and was at my local caucus on monday night.

there was NO mention of this carson thing there...in fact, the first I heard of it was tuesday, on FR

I suppose that you can slice and dice the vote tallys and come to the conclusion that 4 flipped votes per precinct would have changed the election result, but I am here to tell you that this Carson thing was not a factor. If it was, it was not enough to flip the election to trump

repub caucus voters...(in IA, you have to be declared to vote in Caucus), turned out 180,000 strong across the state....that is a RECORD turnout for GOP in IA caucus. 40k more than the communist turnout, statewide.

trump finished 5k behind cruz. in my precinct, he came in third, behind cruz AND rubio.

rubio won most of the major urban centers, as did bernie. des moines, davenport, cedar rapids. that said, the rural voters turned out in droves, and overrode that, by voting for cruz and trump.

THAT is something that should be noted.

not trying to be a d^&$, just laying out some facts here, from being on the ground here in IA.


14 posted on 02/03/2016 6:34:44 AM PST by QualityMan (I will not comply.)
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To: QualityMan

Do those in a caucus center know who someone is supporting after being inside the ‘building’ with them after a bit? Is there any milling around, any conversing?


15 posted on 02/03/2016 6:37:58 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

Nonsense.

The Carson ‘news’ was spread only in a few suburban precincts, where Carson had very little support to start with.
I know Carson supporters. They would not be dissuaded by someone’s tweet.


16 posted on 02/03/2016 6:39:51 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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Nonetheless, we have Cruz’s own apology.

We have operatives in every caucus center and we have group texting.

The technology makes the limitation of this meme by the Cruz people unlikely.


17 posted on 02/03/2016 6:41:40 AM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: irishjuggler

Your are 100% correct to call BS.

I do not believe that that Carson supporters could be that stupid. They knew it was a Cruz supporter talking.

Oh, I am a Cruz supporter.


18 posted on 02/03/2016 6:42:18 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting , knitting, always knitting.)
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To: The_Victor

Carson said that his wife was at a caucus where a Cruz operative said that Carson was suspending his campaign.

She made a speech, said that it was a lie, and got a standing ovation.


19 posted on 02/03/2016 6:50:57 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Race Baiting...... "It's What's For Breakfast")
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To: QualityMan

How many people were at your local caucus? This lie was not only being spread verbally but via twitter. So you know personally that no one there got any information of this lie on their cell phone?


20 posted on 02/03/2016 6:53:10 AM PST by MagnoliaB (You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime you might find, you get what you need.)
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