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How Trump got religion — and why his legendary minister’s son now rejects him
Washington Post ^ | January 21 at 5:38 PM | Paul Schwartzman

Posted on 01/22/2016 1:32:58 PM PST by TBP

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To: newgeezer

Are you serious? Can you tell me with a straight face that your candidate would not be ecstatic with such amazing national numbers? Come on admit it, or you are in danger of hypocrisy.


61 posted on 01/22/2016 3:03:52 PM PST by entropy12 (Abdul Aziz born in Saudi Arabia to Saudi father and American mother is Natural Born Citizen? Really?)
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To: newgeezer

The most serious Christians I know don’t vote at all finding it completely worldly. It bothers them that no serious Christian could EVER get elected.


62 posted on 01/22/2016 3:10:34 PM PST by DungeonMaster
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To: TBP

Funny. That’s not the way you put it in your comment. What you did is little different than what NBC did to the George Zimmerman 9-11 call.

Maybe you don’t realize it, but you and a half dozen others on here have done more to drive away support for Cruz than anything Trump or Cruz have said/done themselves.


63 posted on 01/22/2016 3:34:14 PM PST by digger48
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To: digger48

It’s entirely different. You know that.


64 posted on 01/22/2016 3:34:45 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: digger48

What you’re objecting to was quoted from the article located at the URL at the top of the comment.


65 posted on 01/22/2016 3:42:15 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Not really.

You left out YUUUGE parts of the conversations to hide the totality of what Trump said in order to completely change the meaning.

Swallow your hate for an hour and 13 minutes and watch the video that been floating around FR for a few days that factually debunks practically every talking point you have been using


66 posted on 01/22/2016 3:44:03 PM PST by digger48
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To: TBP

God has used some really imperfect vessels to accomplish His goals...Some are even considered to be people of great faith in the Bible....I believe if I commit it to prayer He will lead me to vote for.the right person. We could nit pick every candidate until we’re blue in the face...but what a waste of time.


67 posted on 01/22/2016 3:44:49 PM PST by HangingTuff
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To: entropy12

Yes yes and that Cruz was so nasty to oppose it. Trump tho would have made great a deal and not just opposed all that spending like Cruz.


68 posted on 01/22/2016 3:49:51 PM PST by RginTN (Donald J Trump- why would the people of Ky want a rookie senator when they have Sen Mitch Mcconnell)
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To: longtermmemmory
I wonder how many of these “bashers” are just paid trolls. (both sides)


I'm wondering how many Senior Jeb has on staff. The ones that bring up the really stupid stuff to tear down either candidate and make their own 'side' look dumb in the process.
69 posted on 01/22/2016 4:28:23 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: ru4liberty

Something came across my Facebook today which said Trump compared himself to Jesus and said he didn’t need a “silly cross” Now I’ve taken it with a huge grain of salt but if gdue, just wow!


70 posted on 01/22/2016 6:14:06 PM PST by buckeye49
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To: buckeye49

I’m to the point now that I believe Trump could actually diss Jesus on live TV with the whole world watching and his numbers would go up. It’s as if some kind of spell has descended on voters. They would be saying things like, “Well, you have to admire his honesty.” And then there would be those who’d say, “I don’t care what he says about the Lord so long as he builds the wall.” What’s worse, many of those people would be those who claim that their names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. This kind of swooning adoration of the man makes me hyperventilate.


71 posted on 01/22/2016 6:39:29 PM PST by ru4liberty (I wish FR were still "The Premiere *CONSERVATIVE* Site on the Net" :'(.....)
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To: ru4liberty; buckeye49

I sincerely doubt Trump would diss Jesus. But I see you two have no problem doing so.


72 posted on 01/22/2016 6:48:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I sincerely doubt Trump would diss Jesus. But I see you two have no problem doing so.

Please explain.

73 posted on 01/22/2016 7:09:02 PM PST by ru4liberty (I wish FR were still "The Premiere *CONSERVATIVE* Site on the Net" :'(.....)
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To: TBP
“I don't think the image of Norman Vincent Peale that comes through Donald Trump is any connection to the idea I have of him," said Peale, an ordained minister who described himself as a Democrat. "He doesn't recognize the significant character of Dad's ministry, which is a sincere desire to help people."

Trump has built housing for millions of people. He improved NYC's golf course and skating rink in Central Park, saving the city millions. He was instrumental in stopping the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" development. There are many tales of his generosity to individuals and employees, of which he has 20,000, many of whom have been with him for many years. He promoted women to very high-profile, high-responsibilty jobs in the construction industry 30 years before others considered it. His children are a credit to him, and he has 7 grandchildren. Maybe Reverend Peale is jealous of this motivated fellow who surely sparked his father's mentorship.

Here is Donald Trump testifying before the U.S. House of Representatives in the 90s, having been invited to give his opinon about ending the credit crunch that was crippling real estate. He speaks about the jobs created or lost, the importance of this large industry to the health of the economy, the people housed or not able to find housing; he speaks about how the credit legislation of the time was holding up or preventing the development of sufficient housing for low-income people. But let one Democrat talk spite, and stop the presses!

Donald Trump on Economic Recovery (1991)

74 posted on 01/22/2016 8:07:44 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: digger48

No, I didn’t leave out any of the conversation. I did not change the meaning. You know that very well.

What I did do was say that he stated what he meant to say poorly and left the media an opening to misinterpret, and I’m concerned that he might do the same at something like the G-* or some other international meeting, or in a message to Congress, and damage what he’s actually trying to do.

I don’t hate Trump. I just don’t support him.

But the fact is, he shoots from teh lip and it sometimes trips him up.


75 posted on 01/22/2016 8:12:44 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP
I don’t hate Trump. I just don’t support him.

Is that why you post nothing but Trump hit pieces day after day after day?

76 posted on 01/22/2016 8:15:29 PM PST by digger48
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To: digger48

I keep posting articles about Trump’s RECORD. That’s how every candidate should be judged — on his record.

I have no interest in posting about his personal life, or his three marriages, or his family, or anythign of that ilk. As I said, I actually like Donald Trump. But I don’t think he’s the best candidate, and I do think he’s something of a Donny-come-lately to our side of the aisle. I’d be more comfortable if he didn’t have a recent record of taking Establishment-style progressive positions on several issues.

I did think this piece was an interesting profile about an aspect of Trump’s life, but all the Trump people took it as some sort of attack — especially the newbies who have been overrunning the site lately.


77 posted on 01/22/2016 8:21:45 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

OMG, the Washington Post hates Donald Trump! Just another great endorsement for Trump!

BTW, let us not forget that just a few weeks ago, Trump singularly upset the whole election apple cart!

Trump set the national agenda by opposing illegal immigration and bringing up other issues that the GOPe and their allies desperately wanted to avoid, and now they can’t.

The GOPe was not prepared for this, and as a consequence they don’t have a clue about what to do, hence their almost universal collapse into a pile of quivering jello, flip-flopping like a bag of Mexican jumping beans dumped on a hot griddle.

Trump has exposed those who pretend to be conservative but are really just fronts for big money establishment campaign donors who purchase their candidates with campaign “donations”.

Trump, by actually being a real man, has exposed the other candidates (Cruz excepting of course) and their allies for the weak little sniveling sellouts that they really are.

Trump’s vociferous truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media have been the catalyst that triggered a massive revolt amongst conservative voters who are infuriated at the GOPe Congress doing absolutely ZERO to stop Obama’s agenda, and suddenly the GOP RINO leadership is in full blown panic mode and in full blown retreat, and the SMALL conservative House contingent smelt blood in the water, took heart, and charged in against a weakened, frightened and paralyzed GOPe leadership, and Boehner was taken out as a sacrificial lamb.

Trump is absolutely correct when he says that without Trump in the race, everything would be same-ol’, same-ol. The Joyful Tippy-Toes Turtle would be creeping closer to the finish line, Boehner would still be safely ensconced as Speaker, and there would be no mention of illegal immigration are any of the issues surrounding it by any politician in either party, other than possibly how critical it would be to pass immigration “reform”.

The media are loath to make the connection, but it’s obvious that the Boehner resignation was yet another falling domino, toppling due to the Trump Effect, because Trump’s unabashed truth-telling and fearless neutering of the kommie media triggered a revolt amongst the great unwashed GOP masses which emboldened a few conservative Congress critters to grow a few pairs.

And our nation wouldn’t even be having ANY of these conversations about illegal immigration and the myriad of other Obammunist issues destroying our country if it wasn’t for Trump. Instead, we’d simply be debating which RINO, GOPe squish would be least likely to be stomped by Hillary, and the GOPe would once again be exhorting the “base” about how critical it is for us to once again vote for the “lesser of two evils”, that is, vote for the GOPe side of the Uniparty coin.

And do note that ALL of the oligarchs and plutocrats are frightened to death of Donald Trump because the billionaires and millionaires can’t buy him like all of the other politicians they routinely purchase, because Trump doesn’t need nor want their money, and the kommie media is frightened to death of him because he isn’t afraid of them either, the bottom line being that Donald Trump can not be controlled by the rich and powerful or the corrupt media, so for anyone who is truly for campaign finance reform and wants to take money out of politics, voting for Trump is the only reasonable choice.

President Trump is really the last hope for this country: if he can’t undo any of the damage wrought by the Obammunists, the U.S.A. is done.

So least we forget, the above, and much more, are called “The Trump Effect”.


78 posted on 01/22/2016 9:47:39 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Please don’t put Trumps words in my mouth. (if they are his words) I too have my doubts. But things are so with Donald Trump that I could not read that and say flatly that it didnt happen. I figured if it was not true it would be debunked here quickly. So far that has not happened.


79 posted on 01/23/2016 3:54:18 AM PST by buckeye49
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To: TBP
Trump said he was drawn to stories the minister told in the pulpit about successful business executives "overcoming difficulties." "I found that very interesting," the billionaire said, adding that he and Peale became friends.

"He thought I was his greatest student of all time."

Red flags. Fire alarms. Nothing seems to matter.
80 posted on 01/23/2016 4:03:56 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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