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Why the heck are the markets tanking?
Yahoo Finance ^ | 1-15-2016 | Nicole Sinclair

Posted on 01/15/2016 12:10:20 PM PST by Citizen Zed

The selloff comes down to two simple Economy 101 forces: Increased supply and decreased demand. High prices prompted U.S. companies to start drilling for oil in shale formations using unconventional methods like hydraulic fracking and horizontal drilling. This "American Oil Renaissance," which began to gain traction in 2010, has extended from the Eagle Ford in Texas to North Dakota's Bakken Shale, Ohio's Utica, and Pennsylvania's Marcellus Shale, as U.S.-based oil & gas companies started pumping out oil and natural gas. To put it in perspective, the U.S. overtook Saudia Arabia and Russia as the top oil and gas producer.

As prices slid, many waited to see whether the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) - a collection of oil-producing countries that pumps about 40% of the world's oil - would cut back on production to push prices up. OPEC did nothing. Ever since Saudi Arabia's decision to maintain output in late 2014 - a decision it upheld at the end of 2015 - prices have kept tumbling. And U.S. drilling production has just started to decline, but the decline has been far less severe than originally predicted.

Then there's demand. Demand for oil globally began tapering off, driven most notably by a slowdown in China's economy.

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To: CivilWarBrewing

...or more likely so Sanders gets elected and ushers in full blown socialism to “save” the economy and us. It’s the 2008 redux engineered (most likely) be the same cabal that made 2008 happen.


61 posted on 01/15/2016 1:24:07 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: AppyPappy

Or both. But if the domestic producers go bankrupt won’t somebody snatch them up at bargain prices and start them back up when oil goes back up?


62 posted on 01/15/2016 1:28:45 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Liberals are the Taliban of America, trying to tear down any symbol that they don't like.)
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To: kjam22
A week later I get a phone call from the buyer saying.... we got our uncle henry to "off the books" loan us 20k and it's now in our checking account. So how long do we have to wait to get a new lender statement?

This sort of idiocy has become rampant, and why not? The US Federal government shows that there are no consequences to borrowing far more than you can afford, right?

I have come to the conclusion that much of the problems we face now are the result of LBJ's "great society" programs, which put us on the path to this false economic prosperity paid for by borrowed money.

Frugality and financial stability are hard to most people, and the "me" generation wants the best!

If the whole fake system wasn't kept pumped up by all that government borrowing, none of these attitudes would have ever developed.

63 posted on 01/15/2016 1:28:53 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: kjam22

It is a big plus for people cutting their heating bills in half and filling up their gas tanks for 20 bucks. It is a big plus for manufactures and retailers cutting there energy expenses including the cost of trucking goods around the country which should in turn lead to a lower cost for the goods themselves. People should be buying more not less. Only now all that saved money is going into Obamacare. So it is not saved at all.


64 posted on 01/15/2016 1:31:59 PM PST by Revel
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To: Revel

I’m pretty sure you’re one of those freepers I was talking about.


65 posted on 01/15/2016 1:37:31 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Revel

Everything gets cheaper, we can lower wages too because everything gets cheaper. The market goes down, everyone’s net worth and their retirements become worth less. Isn’t deflation a wonderful thing... why... it’s like an economic boom.


66 posted on 01/15/2016 1:40:27 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
The world is in the middle of a worldwide margin call.

That is a good way to put it.

67 posted on 01/15/2016 1:43:52 PM PST by painter ( Isaiah: �Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: DiogenesLamp
I read the other day that 67% of American households cannot handle a $500.00 emergency. That is shocking to me. We've lost our freaking minds.

That is crazy. I have more than that is cash in my mad money account.

68 posted on 01/15/2016 1:52:27 PM PST by painter ( Isaiah: �Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: Citizen Zed
This "American Oil Renaissance," which began to gain traction in 2010,...

We were drilling horizontal wells in the Bakken in 2001, and even back in the mid-1980s. We had quit spinning the wheels long before 2010.

Right now, what I see in oil country are dropping prices as inventories are reduced. Demand has dropped off severely because rig counts are a small fraction of what they were and coupled with overordering by optimistic retailers, prices are going down for the short term. Groceries are the cheapest they have been in a few years, but in a boom town, that means the prices will be more normal until the excess inventory is unloaded, especially with perishable items. We're restocking freezers with select loss leaders.

69 posted on 01/15/2016 2:00:13 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: kjam22

“everyone’s net worth and their retirements become worth less. Isn’t deflation a wonderful thing...”

By definition you have that part backwards. Savings are worth more during deflation. Not less. Wages will drop but so will the price of goods. So the value of money already saved is actually recaptured during deflation.

And if the Fed followed its mandate then inflation would be be pretty much zero percent at all times.

Instead of that our savings have been losing value like stored dairy products. For instance Anyone who was saving to buy a house in the last few decades has been run over by a train. The cost of a buying a given house has tripled or more since 1990.


70 posted on 01/15/2016 2:01:23 PM PST by Revel
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To: Citizen Zed

It’s all about interest rates.

The market soared as interest rates were going down over the last 5+ years.

Now, as interest rates are rising, the market tanks.


71 posted on 01/15/2016 2:02:58 PM PST by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: Revel

I didn’t say savings. I said retirements and net worth. If your retirement and net worth is all in “savings” you’ve lost already. It doesn’t matter what happens going forward.


72 posted on 01/15/2016 2:06:30 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Revel
There is much more than oil companies in the mix. Consider the 40-50 direct jobs for each drilling rig, another 40-50 service company jobs, and the spinoff jobs in retail, parts houses, warehouses, and myriad other industries which come from that activity and the $60-100K+ incomes that these people were all making, and it translates to virtually every manufacturing sector, housing, and retail. No dollar is spent just once, and if those dollars stop entering the system, the whole works goes flat.

I haven't seen the boon cheap gas provides, but I sure have seen the bust flatten local economies, and that reaches much farther out.

When gas was $4.50 a gallon, I could afford it. Now, not so well.

73 posted on 01/15/2016 2:06:41 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: pgkdan

There’s been a lot of lying about economics for many years at a business level, an illusion of prosperity to serve self-interest, keep one’s job and so on.

Its a human thing, I wouldn’t admit my credit card obligations for years and other bills I owed.


74 posted on 01/15/2016 2:07:53 PM PST by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: Revel
The cost of a buying a given house has tripled or more since 1990.

That means if you put the money that you could have bought a house in 1990 into "a savings account" think how badly you invested....

75 posted on 01/15/2016 2:09:13 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Smokin' Joe

Yep... you are right. But so many can’t see past the $20 they save when they fill up their car.


76 posted on 01/15/2016 2:12:49 PM PST by kjam22
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To: Smokin' Joe

Maybe the USA should impose a $25.00 per bbl tariff on imported crude oi;? What do yo think?


77 posted on 01/15/2016 2:16:34 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: kjam22
Isn’t deflation a wonderful thing... why... it’s like an economic boom.

It is if you are heavy in cash.

78 posted on 01/15/2016 2:29:07 PM PST by painter ( Isaiah: �Woe to those who call evil good and good evil,")
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To: painter

If you are heavy in cash you NEED deflation. If you have been heavy in cash for the past 20 years you already toast.


79 posted on 01/15/2016 2:30:45 PM PST by kjam22
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To: painter

And, if you’re heavy in cash... you should have it buried in a mason jar in the back yard.


80 posted on 01/15/2016 2:33:58 PM PST by kjam22
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