Posted on 01/13/2016 3:46:46 PM PST by conservativejoy
Edited on 01/13/2016 4:06:16 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
>>Lets see it!
I will agree with you that he should release it.
One of us is mistaken about this. My recollection is that the naturalization of wives into their husbands nationality was common law since before the country began, and sometime in the latter half of the 19th century, Congress passed a statute law that made it official US law.
Read the section at this link entitled "Derivative citizenship." Specifically the part that says:
"any woman who might lawfully be naturalized under existing laws, married, or shall be married to a citizen of the United States, shall be deemed and taken to be a citizen."[Act of February 10, 1855, 10 Stat. 604, section 2]
That law is also cited in this court case.
The effect of this law was only ameliorated in 1922 with the passage of the "Cable act."
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The Founders language was Middle English or Upper Middle English
“yearnings to be with her own natural kind” William Wordsworth
“He was born in Hawaii, so it’s a moot point.”
Obama was not born in Hawaai. Obama’s alleged birth certificate is a crude forgery created in a computer by cutting and pasting images. The fact that Obama had to create a forgery for a fake birth certificate indicates he was not born in Hawaii. Even if Obama had been born in Hawaii, he is still not a natural born citizen, because his father was an alien and his mother was an underage U.S. citizen who was too young to transmit her U.S. citizenship to her children; so he would have been born as a native born and not a natural born citizen. Because Obama was not born in the United States and his mother was too young to transmit her U.S. citizenship to her children, Obama is not a legitimate U.S. citizen of any kind, and he is a foreigner.
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It has been interpreted by the early congresses, and that is all that matters.
Vague terms never make legal precedent.
Keep straining your gnats, and swallowing your camels.
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What we do know is that Jay had two foreign born children.
So what do you think he meant by it, assuming he was responsible for the use of the term? Would you not think that Jay understood that his natural born status was transferred to his children, or that he knowingly shortchanged his own kids status.
I think his Mother was 18 when he was born.
As far as anyone in power in concerned, he was born in Hawaii, so again it’s a moot point.
His Mother could pas on Citizenship without the 4-5 Year Residency Requirement because he was Born on U.S. Soil.
I don’t like it and obviously you don’t like it either, but it’s just the way it is. That Ship has sailed.
To carry that same point further, they also existed at a time when women were not able to contract, and essentially had no legal status. This interpretation has morphed over time. At the time of John Jay, status had to be transferred from the father. but I don't see you arguing that. I wonder why not, if the definition and meaning of terms and phrases are so important to your assertions.
The truth of it is and I have said this for support of my case, is that the interpretation I am using is modern or better said 20th century, not the 16th.
As you should know, Constitutional interpretations employ a number of techniques, including Textualism, Strict Constructionalism, Originalism, Balancing, Prudentialism, Doctrinalism, Precedent, and Functionalism.
You are making a argument from only one perspective. Which is why I disagree.
1758 Vattro Chapter XIX
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Congress and SCOTUS have made egregious mistakes.
Black’s Law dictionary stands on the wisdom of centuries of English Common Law. It is not vague language. It is clear and precise. A natural born citizen is a person born in the land where he IS a citizen.
lol.....but you repeat yourself....hahaha
I have already addressed this without saying the name. It’s a similar argument. There were 2 sides to it then and now.
Speaking of the 2- sided argument, often 3-4 sides as it is now, I do think that to cure this problem, we can address it in the hopefully coming Convention of the States.
The entire basis/purpose/need for the “natural born” wording was to prevent foreign powers (british and French) from taking advantage of our open elections and exploiting the rules.
That fear was somewhat justified largely because of the mood of the time and the fight for independence still warm.
Understanding that, it would be a real stretch to think that a child born of a natural born American was some sort of security threat.
This is a major part of the argument against your accusations.
In view of the fact that women now have constitutionally equal legal standing, the Vatel view that citizenship has to come from the father is totally moot. Couple that with the fact that this sort of citizenship transference from a American parent to a foreign born child due purely to the place and time, could not be a security issue, and you have the basis of my understanding.
It’s better for you that you understand my point, yet continue to disagree and not dismiss me out of hand, because I am not alone in this. Thus far I see no inkling of understanding.
“I think he sold out to the dems a long time ago, making his birthplace irrelevant.”
Yes, there is that.
“As far as anyone in power in concerned, he was born in Hawaii, so again it’s a moot point.”
It will never be a moot point, because it will have consequences one way or the other. We have not forgotten the Alamo. We won’t forget or forgive this betrayal of America and its Constitution. There are a lot of people and a lot of reputations which can suffer as a consequence of these egregious acts of corruption.
“His Mother could pas on Citizenship without the 4-5 Year Residency Requirement because he was Born on U.S. Soil.”
They went to a lot of trouble to clean out the State Department passport files and assassinate the investigating D.C. police officer just to cover up the fact Obama was not born in Hawaii or anywhere else in the United States. There is no statute of limitation on murder or the conspiracy to commit murder. When they and the GOPe lose power and control in D.C. to people like the Oathkeepers, the chickens may come home to roost in a very unremorseful way. The game is not over until you quit, including after you are dead and your dead hand keeps on keepin on.
“I don’t like it and obviously you don’t like it either, but it’s just the way it is. That Ship has sailed.”
Not by a long shot.
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