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To: dhs12345
Come back to me when Apple have fixed their >>design flaw<< of the battery not being removable.

Show me the removable batteries in the Samsung Galaxy Edge, S6, S5, etc. How about in the Google Nexus line. Sorry, you won't find them there either. It is an engineering design decision for good and considered reasons. Ergo, dhs, there is no design flaw, but a fairly industry standard in high end cellular phones.

YOU DO VOID THE WARRANTY if you take the unit apart. Clearly, it is not recommended and even discouraged! Gee, I wonder why. Answer: maybe because it is risky and the phone might get damaged.

You cannot void a warranty that is no longer in effect, dhs. When it is in effect, Apple will do any internal repairs or replace a failed or defective battery for free. Ergo, if one opens the case before the warranty is expired, one runs the risk of voiding the warranty. USE YOUR BRAIN, dhs. After the warranty expires, there is no risk of voiding a non-existent warranty, and Apple does not care what you do with it as they no longer have an obligation to repair it.

Very clearly: The phone, iPod, iPad are not designed to be taken apart!

On the contrary, the iPhone, iPod, and iPad are designed to be taken apart, as the various components are connected by pluggable modules with clamps that are designed to unclamp the ribbon cables so they can be easily removed and re-inserted to gain access to every component. If they were not designed to be taken apart, they would not be modular with parts designed to be easily replaced. I know for a fact that is the case, because I took apart my daughter's iPad 3 just yesterday to replace the cracked digitizer screen. It took the removal of the original digitizer screen and four screws. You do not use screws unless you are designing something with the intent for something to be taken apart in the future.

So it costs me $79 plus shipping to have the battery replaced. This simply reinforces my point -- why spend another $79 on an old unit. Most people won't hassle with it. Especially grandma who is technologically challenged or your average customer who can't tolerate not having their cell phone for several weeks!!!!

You are making stuff up again. "Weeks?" Again, you do not know what you are talking about.

Apple's turn around time on a mailed in repair service for is 3 to 5 business days from the time it is sent by the user.

How long will it take?

Service arranged by phone or online takes three to five business days from the day your iPhone is shipped to Apple. When you bring your iPhone to an appointment at an Apple Retail Store or Authorized Service Provider, we might be able to fix the issue the same day. Or it could take up to one week if we need to send your iPhone to an Apple Repair Center.

Apple also offers Express Replacement Service to minimize your time without an iPhone.

Express Replacement Service allows an Apple users with AppleCare to simply notify Apple they have a problem with their battery. Apple will send them a new phone within 3 days and they return their old one in exchange. Total cost is $29. Done.

If you go to an Apple Store for your battery replacement, they will take care of it while you are there. If they find a problem that will take longer than you can wait, Apple will provide you a loaner iPhone until your iPhone is returned. Try that with any other repair system.

However, if you can step up a bit for just $99 and get a new iPhone (albeit last year's model) with a lot of new features your old one doesn't have, you are better off trading it in for a hundred dollars (which will PAY the downpayment on the new iPhone) and moving on.

Why spend $79 on an old unit? We are most likely talking about a device that is now several years old that has given good service for those years and a minor fee can assure it giving several years more good service. Why not pay $79 to restore it to like new condition?

And to have Batteries Plus do it is not recommended either. My own experience proves that. That was YOUR recommendation and you claim to be the expert.

Please show where Apple makes such a negative recommendation. There are literally thousands of locations where one can have Apple iOS devices repaired and/or have the batteries replaced. As I told you earlier, there are at least four within a few miles of my location and, I checked, they warranty their work with full replacement if they damage the device.

How interesting. Your "friend's experience" now becomes "your experience." Q.E.D. you are making the whole story up out of whole cloth. You never had that experience nor did your "friend." As I said earlier, adding detail to add verisimilitude outed you and showed you were lying about it.

79 posted on 12/28/2015 10:34:05 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Swordmaker
Wrong! I have an S5 and the battery in my unit is removable.

My point is the reason the warranty is void is because repair on the unit is risky at best and so all liability is on the person (or fool) who attempts it. Even and especially the so called experts at batteries plus that you so eagerly recommend.

You would know this if you have any experience with taking these devices apart AND assembling them and Apple knows it too.

Just so happens that I do have experience. I work for a manufacturer who assembles circuit boards and we have assembled similar products.

None of these compact devices (Apple, Android, etc.) are designed to be taken apart and reassembled. They are very low cost (component cost, and labor) and designed to be tossed in the trash after they fail.

Since this is a high volume product, the manufacturer will look for every opportunity to squeeze a penny here or a penny there out of the cost. A penny per unit when the number of units is millions is a lot of money. This means the design team will cheapen the design. Cheap means that the device is not as robust and cannot tolerate being taken apart.

One week for repair (5 days)? I have never had a repair take less than two weeks — 4 days to ship it, three days to repair it, 4 days to ship it back. That includes Sundays and half Saturdays when the shipping companies are closed. Unless, of course, Apple swaps my phone for a like model. See below for comments about that!

And as far buying a used unit or accepting a refurbished replacement. This is foolish! Likely that the unit is some kind of RMA unit and ends up being no trouble found at Apple and has some kind of latent, intermittent failure mode. Something that can't be detected. So you get your swapped/refurbished unit and it works for a little while and then fails when it gets warm. Then you have to return it again. Been there done that with consumer electronics.

Besides, I know exactly how I treated my phone unlike a replacement phone where the phone might have been dropped, overheated because the customer let run and charge at the same time, etc. I want >my phone< back with a new battery.

And I highly doubt that the sales person at an Apple store can repair a phone. A kid selling iphones doesn't have the skill set. The circuit boards and flex circuits are very fragile and it requires a special ESD work station.

If I am going to put another $100 into a phone, I might as well put that towards a new one. Too bad the battery cannot be replaced without a huge hassle.

82 posted on 12/28/2015 12:00:29 PM PST by dhs12345
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