Melting sea ice increases Arctic precipitation, complicates climate predictions

phys.org ^ | 12/21/2015

[JPJones]

This all has been known for a long time. Hansen used to talk about it back in the 90s.

Problem for Warmists is:

Precipitation falling in the early winter as snow in northern Asia, creating “long-term, large scale regional cooling” (Cohen) in that area.

Equals a negative feedback, (i.e. cooling)

Precipitation falling on the Antarctic, same. Also increasing the mass balance of land (Zwally) AND sea ice.

Equals another negative feedback (i.e. cooling)

These negative feedbacks were supposed to be canceled out (by a lot: x3) by the tropical tropopause water vapor feedback (the “hotspot”).

However the “hotspot” doesn’t exist.

[dhs12345]

Exactly. And the fact that the data being used for the initial conditions is tainted makes it even worse.

And the models are linear approximations.

They’d have a better chance of predicting the stock market.

[wideawake]

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Join the chorus!

[Yosemitest]

Like it hasn't happened before ? < /sarc>

Check out Noah's Ark" has been found in Turkey, April 27, 2010.
Click on the photos below.

Noah's Ark found in turkey ( 4:56 )
Uploaded on Apr 28, 2010

" The remains of Noah's Ark have been found 12,000ft up a Turkish mountain, it was claimed today.
A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say carbon testing on remains found on Mount Ararat show they are 4,800 years old, around the time when the ark was said to be afloat.

But the group left themselves open to a critical backlash after they failed to reveal the location of their find or produce photographs of the exterior of the site.

The search for the physical remains of Noah's Ark has held a fascination for Christians, Jews and Muslims for hundreds of years. But despite various claims no scientific evidence has ever been found.

The team of 15 made the announcement of their find yesterday. They brought back from the site wooden remains and strands of rope which they believe was used for keeping animals.

Yeung Wing-cheung, a documentary filmmaker and member of the team from Hong Kong-based Noah's Ark Ministries International, said:
'It's not 100 per cent that it is Noah's Ark but we think it is 99.9 per cent that this is it.'

He said the structure had several compartments, some with wooden beams, which were believed to house animals. However early indications are it was a kind of cypress wood whereas the Bible says it was made of gopher wood.

Members of the Chinese team appeared with Turkish officials at a joint press conference on the evangelicals website where the potential importance of the discovery was hailed.

... "

Also, this one:

NOAH'S ARK HAS BEEN FOUND!!! (with documents) ( 8:345 )
Uploaded on May 25, 2010

Noah's ark found on Mount Agri (also known as Ararat, the highest mountain in Turkey)
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Uploaded on Jul 21, 2010

Latest News March 2014:
Scientific world looks into discovery;
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"The significance of this find is that for the first time in history the discovery of Noah's ark is well documented and revealed to the worldwide community."
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You might be interested in the Hagopian-Lee to Simmons-Arslan 1989 Photo Near Mt. Ararat Strato-Volcano Summit or the old Armenian, George Hagopian's story on pages 73 through 92 of Secrets of the Lost Races: New Discoveries of Advanced Technology in Ancient Civilizations .

Noah's Ark April 2013: Position 16,500 ft Near Summit on Mt. Ararat; Very Dangerous Access ( 12:45 )
Published on Apr 10, 2013
The petrified wooden barge is at 16,250 ft (4,953 m) on North East; a little below the summit.
Overall dimensions is approximately 500 ft X 80 ft X 45 ft. (152.40 m X 24.38 m X 13.72 m).
Volume: 1.8 (10)^6 ft^3 [5.1 (10)^4 m^3].

This one is worth your time.

Noah's Ark, a Milestone in History ( 17:13 )
Published on Mar 19, 2014

A Mile-stone; History was made in the fact that for the first time in history the discovery of the prehistoric sites, burried in a lakebed of a glacier on Mt. Ararat in Turkey,
has been presented before the archaeological world by a scientist in their own scientific language at the ASOR 2013 Annual Meeting, November 20 - 23, Baltimore, U.S.A.
E-mail: arkinsight@gmail.com

Here's a lat/long location.

Noah's Ark (39° 42' 33.07" N 44° 18' 1.26" E): Cavitation Damage and Fracture Fatigue ( 3:45 )
Published on Nov 11, 2013

[DennisR]

“There is a growing consensus among scientists that a decrease in sea ice would increase Arctic precipitation because of increased evaporation.”

Been saying that for years. And “Arctic precipitation” (aka SNOW) would replace the missing sea ice.

Wonder how many millions of dollars that most logical (that is, non-Democrat/Liberal) people could derive sitting at home in front of the fire.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Depends on which section of Oklahoma you are in.

The panhandle to Enid are dry as a desert, then it begins to get more trees, then it gets muggy and HOT in Eastern OK.

Been waiting for thirty seven years to see water in Lake Optima near Hardesty. Still dry.

Same for the southern parts of OK. Dry in the west and muggy in the east.

[Calvin Locke]

OTOH, isn’t that how cycles are supposed to work? Ice to water to evaporation to precipitation, aka “snow”, that compacts back to ice?

[EEGator]

Perfect post.

[Colorado Doug]

So we, have more sea ice because we have less sea ice. Sure, you betcha.

[MistrX]

Well, see, we’ve got this big dang computer somewhere and we just keep shoving’ data in ‘til we get the number’s we’re looking’ for.

[stocksthatgoup]

poorly understood = the entire climate crap

[Colorado Doug]

well.... it was an remains settled....sort of

It IS settled. Just give us your cash and it will all be okay. There is your consensus. Check back in a hundred years for the proof.

[Telepathic Intruder]

There’s always some way to explain away lack of evidence. The reason the sea levels haven’t risen is because the rising sea levels are causing more floods which is draining water from the oceans. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

[Palio di Siena]

dartmouth led team. pretty much guarantees it’s nothing but party line
bullshit.

[Hot Tabasco]

There is a growing consensus among scientists

I thought that consensus was already at 97%.....Has it increased?

[MeshugeMikey]

Remember,,,f the check doesnt clear the bank....we wont be here in a hundred years

[bikerman]

OMG we’re DOOMED women children and midgets to be harmed first. Yawn

[Vendome]

Sister in Owasso actually believes that...

[Vendome]

LOL

Drove a friend from the East Coast and on through OK 8 months ago.

She swore we going to Grapes of Wrath.

Laughed as we entered OK from MO and she wanted to know if we there yet.

“Naw” I replied “won’t see the dustbowl til we pass OKC”.

She asked where I would hunt and fish, when we reached Miami.

Told her to look around, as I waved to both side Interstate.

She said “You can’t hunt here!”

I responded “Sure you can. Just need to watch your backstop”.

“So where would you go fishing?” She asked

“Anywhere. Even those ponds” I laughed

“You can’t just go fishing in those ponds” she retorted.

“Yeah you can. Just knock on their door and ask permission. Only thing they ever say is not to leave guts on the bank” I explained.

Couldn’t believe it when she said “People are pretty friendly here”.

“They’re OK” I had the last word...

[WMarshal]

SETTTLED SCIENCE!!! Repent or die! /sarc (for the slow)