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'Truly amazing' scientific discovery on adaptation of Yakutian horses to cold
Siberian Times ^ | November 28, 2015

Posted on 11/29/2015 7:27:04 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: TigerLikesRooster

I am no genetic scientist, but my studies have revealed that geneticists have never witnessed a beneficial mutation. Therefore the growth of hair in this species is natural variation, not mutation, and therefore not evolution!


21 posted on 11/29/2015 9:18:27 PM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Laika Dogs

22 posted on 11/29/2015 9:51:27 PM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; JimSEA
Extinction is key to terrestrial vertebrate diversity, new research reveals
23 posted on 11/29/2015 10:01:42 PM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Horses, like bison, evolved on the plains that existed in front of the ancient ice sheets.

The optimum comfort temperature for horses is 40 degrees. They are an animal of the ice age.


24 posted on 11/29/2015 10:08:10 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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To: blam
The first mammal to orbit the earth was named Laika.


25 posted on 11/29/2015 10:17:50 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Jan_Sobieski
the growth of hair in this species is natural variation, not mutation, and therefore not evolution!

A distinction without a difference.

26 posted on 11/29/2015 10:20:49 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: SunkenCiv

Those pictures are so cold I got hypothermia just looking at them.


27 posted on 11/29/2015 10:50:11 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: vladimir998

Think about that comment...

There’s no difference between humans culling out the ones less adapted to cold or the cold achieving it on its own...


28 posted on 11/29/2015 11:32:50 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Life is adaptable.


29 posted on 11/30/2015 2:56:37 AM PST by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Wil...Burrr!


30 posted on 11/30/2015 3:01:12 AM PST by csvset ( Illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
then there is economic evolution depicted as well. It appears the yatuskian man has somehow acquired a Mossy Oak parka.


31 posted on 11/30/2015 4:38:23 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPyes but now I must concentratc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trumping.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Adaptation is a step to long range evolutionary mutation

so, on a macroscale, adaptation is evolution

Evolution is adaptive change


32 posted on 11/30/2015 4:43:17 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPyes but now I must concentratc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trumping.)
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To: bert

Evolution is defined as increasing complexity of an organism through mutation. When you switch a few genes off or on you aren’t adding any information therefore no evolution has occurred.


33 posted on 11/30/2015 4:53:16 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Which is the application over time of adaptive changes


34 posted on 11/30/2015 4:54:40 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPyes but now I must concentratc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trumping.)
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To: bert

When you have no additional complexity added to an organism you can’t call it evolution. If you add more genes you add more complexity and then you can call it evolution.


35 posted on 11/30/2015 4:59:53 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: matthew fuller

Mongolia is fairly warm/hot in the summer, and rather cold in winter. But you’ve sidestepped my point.

These “scientists” make a big deal over these ponies becoming acclimated to the cold weather over 800 years. When it’s fairly obvious that if they hadn’t adapted in their first winter in the extreme cold, they’d all have died, and we’d be refering to them in the past tense.

Evolution, schmevolution! It’s adaptation, and God’s creatures do it all the time. They were created that way.


36 posted on 11/30/2015 5:18:43 AM PST by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: cynwoody
I remember that.
Thanks
37 posted on 11/30/2015 5:48:49 AM PST by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: csvset

Well played!


38 posted on 11/30/2015 6:32:49 AM PST by null and void (We are AmeriCANs. We CAN learn, and learn from history, if we choose.)
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To: Axenolith

“There’s no difference between humans culling out the ones less adapted to cold or the cold achieving it on its own...”

Sure there is. Is there a difference between someone punching you in the face and you accidently walking into a door? You might end up with a black eye either way, but the ramifications of the two different acts are enormous. Nature taking its course is one thing, but human beings deliberately manipulating the bloodline in animals to produce a better horse (one better suited to the extreme local environment) is an entirely different kettle of genetically altered fish. First of all, it implies that there was a very deliberate plan that was to be carried out not only over many generations of horse lives, but over some generations of human lives. That shows a level of planning and commitment that is nothing short of astounding in an illiterate, isolated group of people living what are essentially little better than stone age lives. Then there’s the realization that this means whoever did this understood exactly what it was doing, knew how to evaluate what was working and what was not, and so on. We do this today, but we understand genetics. They did this without any scientific understanding of genetics at all.


39 posted on 11/30/2015 6:40:21 AM PST by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Tucker39

It you assume (and you know what happens when one assumes) that the Siberian horsed evolved in the MIDDLE of Siberia, not by encroaching on the not quite as bitter margins a little every year, the better adapted ones moving into the areas where they had less competition, i.e. to the colder regions they could tolerate where the others couldn’t.

Look how fast the human race spread just from the desire to get away from the gossips and oppressive chieftains!


40 posted on 11/30/2015 6:41:13 AM PST by null and void (We are AmeriCANs. We CAN learn, and learn from history, if we choose.)
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