Posted on 11/08/2015 4:55:19 PM PST by WhiskeyX
All carbs become glucose and provide the body with 4 calories per gram. Yes, there are varying efficiencies, and yes, absorption does matter to a certain degree (GI/GL also matter). However, for the sake of this discussion, people get fat and suffer from diseases like metabolic syndrome, diabetes, etc. mostly because they're fat. The reason they're fat is because they eat more energy than they burn. It has very little to do with what they eat, and everything to do with how much they eat. It has been this way since forever.
I'd reminder anyone who asked that these fat Americans whipped their elitist, miniature asses. And we could easily do it again.
You’re incredibly smug for being so wrong. Concentrated simple carbs invite an outsized insulin response, among other dynamics that do put the body into fat storing, as opposed to fat burning, mode.
People who are fat have overeaten relative to what their body requires, but they’ve also likely eaten poorly, which, such as with the exaggerated insulin response, has led to more hunger and a negative cycle.
As any number of people here are trying to tell you either from their direct experience or from links with scientific studies, this is the case. That is why formerly fat people can often eat more, though of different stuff, than they were able to eat when they were fat.
Also, the fat for many diseased is, like their disease itself a product of what and how they’ve been eating—rather than necessarily the primary direct cause of their illness.
Maybe you should read my post again and look up that word. I offered only facts. You're the one getting his panties in a wad.
Concentrated simple carbs invite an outsized insulin response, among other dynamics that do put the body into fat storing, as opposed to fat burning, mode.
Insulin facilitates the metabolization of carbohydrates. If you compare weight loss diets using like energy content and macronutrient composition, but offer differing glycemic indexes for each, you will find no fat loss between the groups. Table sugar and Japanese white rice have a similar GI. According to you, the Japanese should be obese for relying on a food that delivers an outsized insulin response for a large percentage of their overall diet. It ain't happening.
As any number of people here are trying to tell you either from their direct experience or from links with scientific studies, this is the case.
Right. And we have hundreds of millions of Asians enjoying their high carb diets while living longer and healthier lives than westerners to prove it. We should accept your "studies", and feelings, rather than real world results involving hundreds of millions of people over hundreds of years. I think your understanding of the science is flawed.
the fat for many diseased is, like their disease itself a product of what and how they’ve been eating—rather than necessarily the primary direct cause of their illness.
You're half right... their disease is, most likely, caused by how much they've been eating -- as in eating way too much vs how much exercise they get. The source of the calories isn't important as long as malnutrition isn't resulting. The issue is, as it has always been, total calories consumed vs. total calories burned.
Believing that insulin response is responsible for weight gain is a great way to sell diet advice. The real, and more logical, reason that overeating is responsible, is probably not information people are willing to pay for. Meanwhile, guys like Taubes make a fortune. If insulin response is materially responsible for why we get fat, then you should be able to produce a study showing that people who consume large amounts of caffeine are more predisposed to obesity than those who do not consume caffeine - given that caffeine stimulates an exaggerated insulin response. Let me know when you find that study.
You’re wrong regarding the source being inconsequential to the health of the individual.
LOL I was going to email the Oki diet to my son who was there last year. He got married and is HUGE like his dad and great-grandpa. I worry about him. My mom had a stroke at 73. Potato chips and junk food.
What made me come back to the thread was when Jesus fed the 5000 it was fish and bread. Not just fish.
In 2003, I went from 304 pounds to 197 pounds (I'm 6'3") by essentially cutting carbs from my diet and walking daily. I didn't do the "Atkins plan" as I thought the induction phase was too extreme. I simply eliminated breads and grains from my diet as much as possible and shopped the perimeter of the supermarket where all the fresh meats, dairy and produce was to be found. I stayed away from high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated fats (basically all packaged processed foods). I tried to keep my carb intake under 100 grams a day.
With my wife, I learned how to cook most things from scratch. I also got out and walked at least 10,000 steps a day, which eventually became 20,000 steps a day (almost 10 miles).
Once I hit my goal, I slacked off on the diet. While I was fit for years after that and relatively slim, the pounds slowly came back on. Eventually it all came back and I went to over 300 pounds again earlier this year. I found that I was eating bagels, pizza, pasta, and other grains on a regular basis. All those grain products had the effect of making me even hungrier an hour or two after I ate them.
So once again, I went back to what I originally did in 2003. The result is that I lost 22 pounds in a single month. Basically achieved by cutting breads and pasta from my diet and avoiding processed foods. I still have a ways to go to get back under 200 pounds but I already feel better and much more energetic.
I stick to meat, fish, eggs, whole milk yogurt, berries, vegetables (like brussels sprouts, broccoli and squash), bananas, sweet potatoes, nuts, cheeses, raisins, and other foods in their mostly natural state. Also, wine, black coffee and beer in moderate amounts.
So there is definitely something about grains and processed foods that is making my body bloated and fat. Avoiding those products has made a big difference as as this is the second time around, I am convinced that the "food pyramid" offered up by the government, with it's 11 servings a day of "healthy grains" has done my body a great injustice.
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