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It’s okay Swordmaker, there’s no hope for that asshat. He’s just out to stir up trouble on threads with nothing factual to back him up, unlike us. We were there in the 1970s as adults, he was a little kid like that muslim boy who “invented” a clock after taking the guts out of a storebought item. We were the adults working in IT, he was a kid tinkering around the edges. Both of us became successful. I retired some years back and left IT behind me, to enjoy the fruits of my labors (IT made my life easy). However, I kept some of the stuff I worked on back then and know what I remember to be true. I still have my Apple II gear, still working to this day although it runs on flash drives instead of tape or floppies. Even the 16K RAM banks with their glistening gold leads and gold caps work. Actually, I have several Apple II Revision-0 machines; very rare, one in the low 300 SN range - another in the low 100 SN range I sold. These machines were amazing in their time. Back then in SF during the 70s I was active in a computer club, I could name drop if wanted, discussing things with the people who were instrumental in designing the Mac. This guy DiogenesLamp was just out of diapers then, maybe not. Every once in a while he pulls a load from his diapers and thinks it smells good. We know the truth.

Hey, maybe you knew my ex-wife’s nephew, Tim O’Hare? He turned Steve down to be one of the first ten employees of Apple. . . kicking himself ever since. He did wind up running one of the first Apple centric stores in Berkeley in the late 70s and made a pile of money. Bought property and became, ahem, a “slumlord.” He’d be in his early sixties now, because his Dad, my ex’s brother, was twenty-seven years older than she was, and came home from WWII in time to name her Judy, after Judy Garland, in January of 1946! I think Tim was born in 54. . . but he was a member of the Home Brew Computer Club and knew Woz and Steve. . . he bought one of Woz’s Apple 1s at the meeting. . . Before they were marketing it.

It’s okay Swordmaker, there’s no hope for that asshat. He’s just out to stir up trouble on threads with nothing factual to back him up, unlike us.

You are acting like a child. You have been proven wrong, yet refuse to admit it. It is adult-like to admit when you have made a mistake, but child-like to insist you are right when the facts are clearly against you.

This just once more goes to show that age is no proof against being childish.

And for what it's worth, Steve Jobs appears to me to have contributed to the Computer industry in the same manner a fashion designer contributes to the Clothing industry.

By introducing the latest generation of faddish and superficial crap, but not actually anything truly innovative. He was the equivalent of a Male Fashion designer for the Computer world.