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To: roadcat
Calligraphy and fonts. Jobs studied this passionately, and brought it to personal computers. At the time, personal computers were centered on boring monotone text. The world changed because of it.

I consider that incredibly trivial. It's like deciding what color to paint bombs. It is really of no consequence.

Blending technology and design. Again, Steve Jobs was instrumental in driving this. A lot of his ideas became actual products that others imitated.

Something vague and not demonstrative of an actual invention. Yes, he was the @$$hole that berated others into creating designs, and he kept brow beating them till they came up with something he thought of as aesthetically pleasing.

These are just a very few of many, and they are all Steve Jobs. His work, his brilliance.

You haven't named anything tangible. That is exactly my point. He was basically the "Red Queen" who screamed "Off with your head" to anyone that didn't "create." I don't find what he did to be particularly brilliant. Had he never met Woz, he probably would have been a nobody.

21 posted on 10/07/2015 8:19:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
You haven't named anything tangible.

Shirley you've seen an Apple store. Very tangible, you can touch it. Have you used a GUI-based computer made within the last few decades? Again, tangible. A lot of design studios use Apple products for production illustration, design, and printing. They wouldn't exist were it not for Steve Jobs. You've seen a lot of movies and read illustrated books and magazines? Tangible. My point is that your words are of no consequence.

25 posted on 10/07/2015 8:40:31 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: DiogenesLamp
I consider that incredibly trivial. It's like deciding what color to paint bombs. It is really of no consequence.

Amazing. . .

You don't even know what you are talking about. "Incredibly trivial" . . . yet every other computer up until then used an 8x8 grid to display text characters and Steve Jobs said "No, our computers will display fonts that are capable of displaying calligraphic fonts that are beautiful." and the proceeded to make it possible. That change is what EVERY COMPUTER TODAY USES! And you call it trivial???????

At the time those 8X8 grids meant that Microsoft Windows Mouse Pointers and cursors were blocking and jumped only horizontally and vertically in those same 8x8 grids . . . while Apple's mouse pointer moved smoothly, pixel by pixel, in gentle arcs. It was a huge difference that took almost ten years for Microsoft to catch up! It meant that Apple used SQUARE pixel elements so that graphics were easy to calculate rotations, instead of the rectangular pixels used in PCs. . . and rotations in PCs required additional calculations to compensate for the distortions added by rectangular pixels.

It meant that because you were using vector graphics to draw Calligraphic fonts, esthetically pleasing fonts, you could RESIZE them to any point size you wanted. . . and that meant they were not limited to multiples of the 8x8 grid for printing seen on the screen! it meant kerning, spacing, and everything applicable to TYPESETTING. It meant that Apple computers became the go to computers of creation for newspapers, magazines, artists, and any other who needed flexibility and not constraint to an 8x8 distorted grid.

You see, DiogenesLamp, insisting on Calligraphic fonts on computers was one of the least trivial additions to computers of the last 75 years. . . and STEVE JOBS did it.

Something vague and not demonstrative of an actual invention. Yes, he was the @$$hole that berated others into creating designs, and he kept brow beating them till they came up with something he thought of as aesthetically pleasing.

Again, you DO NOT GET IT. Try this:


Had Woz never met Steve Jobs, he would have been a geek in a world of geeks, working for HP until he got a job working for another company, until they went under, or he changed jobs, and he would have been a nobody too. He had no ambition to be anything except a geek who made cool computers for his friends. It took Steve Jobs for everything to happen. . . and YOU can't see it.

Woz wanted to sell the Apple I for $186 the price of the parts. . . counting his labor to assemble as NOTHING. Steve wouldn't let him. He insisted Woz come up with a higher number. Woz then said $250. . . but Steve still insisted on yet a higher number. . . and finally Woz said retail for $666. They wholesaled them for $500, with a retail for $666. Had Woz been left on his own, he'd have sold them for his cost and had even given some away of his earlier creations away. No, Steve was necessary. He was the spark plug.

27 posted on 10/07/2015 9:08:35 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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