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Everybody is suddenly copying Microsoft
Business Insider ^ | October 4, 2015 | Matt Weinberger

Posted on 10/04/2015 1:49:51 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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To: RinaseaofDs

10 rejuvenated my older 64 bit acer laptop which had become a bit of a dog...

I did have some issues with a 7 year old dell...but the other went just fine.

I tend to still use Firefox....edge is fast for me, but I only use it to read and surf news..

I think they need to look into the flash integration.

Chrome is similar in the way it does flash and the other video processes, and if I recall correctly has suffered some of the same issues I see in Edge. But I use all four on occasion....just find the best one for the job at hand..

I also have a Surface.


141 posted on 10/07/2015 12:29:14 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: RinaseaofDs

Yeah...It will login...the key still resides in memory, but it’s unrecognizable. Not sure if detachment from the network or internet will after some time, cause problems for the user..but I have in the past experienced all kinds of warnings and slow operation because it had not been able to update the antivirus applications and malware blockers.(on my laptop)

It kind of gets constipated...and the internet is the enema..

ET has to phone home occasionally...


142 posted on 10/07/2015 12:35:06 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

I have an IBM Thinkpad T30 that wouldn’t take. I, too, have an old Acer that it brought back from death. I use it as a terminal interface for a Cisco networking lab.


143 posted on 10/07/2015 12:37:15 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Yeah, in my case it was because I use a add on video card...Nvidia, that I use for two big VGA monitors..

It kept crashing....(the new blue screen actually has a frowny face on it) and the crash linked the video driver package.

I had to force the machine to accept the old one that was not rewritten for 10. I put up with a number of warnings that the driver needs updating...but I can deal with that. I think it’s just a bug associated with my original motherboard built-in video...The driver tries to default to something it sees....and that screws up my Nvidia card..

I kinda doubt it will get fixed....it probably does not show up on anything but this motherboard and combination.

My permanent fix would be to purchase a new card, most likely..


144 posted on 10/07/2015 12:50:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: RinaseaofDs

LOL....You got me thinking with your remark about your IBM issue....

Does it perchance use a intel based video driver..?

I actually may have created this problem myself by deleting the intel drivers years ago when I added the first Nvidia addon card (upgraded since)..It’s easy enough to test..I may do it later and load the original drivers, allow the Nvidia card to update to a win 10 driver and see if it fixes the problem....I can always just roll it back..


145 posted on 10/07/2015 12:59:57 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

I can look. It’s a laptop, so all the drivers are native. I have it up on my workbench. I will get the name of the driver and get back to you.


146 posted on 10/07/2015 1:59:03 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

I appreciate that.....thanks..

I decided to access the dell help center which was pretty much dead and did not mesh with win 7...but win 10 has completely revamped it and is currently running a self diagnostic via PC Doctor on my old clunker...

I will be able to obtain the native drivers as soon as it is done.


147 posted on 10/07/2015 2:35:23 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: RinaseaofDs

While I am waiting....(may take a while as I had a lot of accessories plugged into this box), like 3 drives....with several terabytes, add on cards, Bluetooth, audio stuff..etc....

The more I play with ten and observe how secondary providers have cooperated with MS on this release, I am more and more impressed and think that this might just be the ticket as we say..I think the other providers think so too...

This has been a problem for MS for quite some time..and it looks like they may have solved it to a great degree.


148 posted on 10/07/2015 2:46:28 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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You’re wrong, Apple did not need the $150 million. . . it was nice to get, but it was not required, except that Microsoft did have to pay compensation for stealing the IP, or the judge would not have agreed to the settlement. Apple needed Microsoft to re-start the discontinued Office for Mac and more to commit to continue developing it. Gates had cancelled Office to put pressure on Apple to get Apple to drop the lawsuit but Jobs wasn’t having it. Nor was he going to give them an inch. He did allow them a way to recover face and their payment at the end of the five years. . . By tying it to Apple’s success by making it a restricted stock purchase that Microsoft could not only recover, but GAIN on with Apple’s success! It was a brilliant play!


149 posted on 10/07/2015 3:41:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Frankly speaking, sword guy....Steve Jobs was not a good person and Gates generally is so in my view Gates made a deal he likely regrets to this day.

Business men generally have a code of conduct among themselves just like anyone else. I never, since very long ago had any respect for jobs, although I do have admiration for what he achieved. I simply found Jobs the person to be a total craphead.

Yes, MS did take a gain on the stock. They did not need it when they exited the investment but my read was that they basically disassociated themselves with apple for personal reasons. They got out in two tranches if I recall but they handled it with delicacy.

My read is that if they had to do it all over again in a history repeat, they would have never pursued it.


150 posted on 10/07/2015 4:21:04 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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Frankly speaking, sword guy....Steve Jobs was not a good person and Gates generally is so in my view Gates made a deal he likely regrets to this day.

Gates was the better man and was always much wealthier. It really killed Steve Jobs that he could not amass the billions that Gates did. So he worked like crazy and behaved like a tyrant. All in a futile attempt to make more billions than Gates. And this stress is what drove him to an early grave. Now Jobs loony liberal wife is blowing Jobs' billions on dumb liberal projects to compete with Melinda Gates who runs the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation..

151 posted on 10/07/2015 4:32:26 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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Frankly speaking, sword guy....Steve Jobs was not a good person and Gates generally is so in my view Gates made a deal he likely regrets to this day.

Gates is the good guy???? You have it exactly backwards. I have friends who had Gates and Microsoft rip off their Disk Stacker software and incorporate it into MS-DOS 6.0 as DoubleSpace. When Stac Electronics, my friends, sued Microsoft for patent infringement, Microsoft then tried to run their company into bankruptcy by counter suing them for using an undocumented system call that Microsoft engineers had actually showed them for pre-loading files, demanding tons of paper documents in discovery, and piling on delaying motion after delaying motion in an attempt to run them out of money. This went on until the trial judge censured Microsoft for delaying the case. Microsoft eventually LOST to Stac Electronics and was awarded $120 million for infringement of two of Stac's patents, but the jury was deadlocked on whether it was willful infringement or not (despite Stac showing their code in Microsoft's code and showing that Microsoft had requested copies of Stac's code for "compliance" purposes, just months before it suddenly appeared in MS-DOS 6.0).

There are many confirmed stories of Gates and Microsoft using this pattern of appropriating technology from small companies or individuals, waiting for the lawsuit, dragging it out until the plaintiffs run out of funding for the lawsuit, settle out of court for pennies on the dollar, or often Microsoft buys the assets of the company they bankrupted from the bankruptcy auction. . . including the IP they infringed.

Microsoft has a history of such infringement lawsuits. . . they were known for it in the industry. It was one of the reasons they got the name Microshaft!

Apple has a reputation of PAYING for the technology the use in advance. . . for example the Xerox PARC GUI visits. . . which Steve Jobs arranged with Xerox management by arranging for Xerox to be able to buy into Apple pre-IPO in exchange for the visits and the rights for what they learned. Microsoft LIFTED the ideas without paying a damn thing.

So your viewpoint is that Dear, Sweet, good, angelic Bill Gates was bamboozled by the evil conniving Steve Jobs into just giving Apple $150 million, re-starting MS Office for Mac, agreeing to keep producing and developing MS Office for Mac for an additional five years, agree to giving Apple free access to all of Microsoft's intellectual Property for the life of the copyrights and patents, paying ADDITIONAL royalties to Apple for the in-suit infringed patents and copyrights for five years that forensic auditors estimate totaled more than $2 BILLION of the five years of the agreement, AND agreed to do this all on the QT, while Apple merely had to include MS Internet Explorer, license the infringed software, issue stock certificates, and drop the lawsuit with prejudice.

You claim that the CEO of a company with a Market Cap of $164 Billion is out-negotiated into a BAD deal by a new-interim CEO of a company with a Market Cap of $2.4 Billion. . . because the new-interim CEO is a bad ass.

You are delusional, if you think that.

Then you tell me that a MAJOR CORPORATION disposed of a major asset worth multiple hundreds of millions of dollars for "PERSONAL REASONS"???? That, my friend is not possible. They disposed of it after the passage of Sarbanes Oxley in 2002, and that required lots of government paper work. "Personal reasons" can have NOTHING to do with it. . . and everything has to be reported when it is done and why. PUBLICLY.

My read is that if they had to do it all over again in a history repeat, they would have never pursued it.

REally Never pursued it???? You are REALLY delusional. Microsoft had to do it and had NO CHOICE. It was not a matter of choice; it was a matter of settle a lawsuit, or go to trial and lose a lot more, both in cash and in good will.

What part of "The judge told them the evidence was so overwhelming they would LOSE if they went to trial" do you fail to understand???? Gates chose the less expensive way that allowed them to save face. . . and got the decks cleared to be able to handle the more important matter of the DOJ investigation.

Microsoft was trying desperately to get Apple to drop the lawsuit. They were trying to force it by first threatening to discontinue MS Office for Mac and then doing it. Gil Amelio though they wouldn't. They did. Steve Jobs came to Microsoft with a plan beneficial to them that would end their problems but also told them that if they did not, he was prepared to go to trial, because he knew they needed the case to go away . . . they accepted it.

152 posted on 10/07/2015 7:37:32 PM PDT by Swordmaker ( This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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