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Volkswagen is crashing hard after Audi got dragged into the emissions scandal
Business Insider ^ | 09/28/2015 | Oscar Williams-Grut

Posted on 09/28/2015 8:55:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The weekend break has not helped Volkswagen.

Shares in the troubled German carmaker are crashing again, down 8.5% at 12.50 a.m. BST (7.50 a.m. ET).
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Volkswagen shares have been diving since it emerged that software in the company's cars was juicing the numbers on diesel emissions.

On Monday, news broke that the scandal was even worse than first thought — over 2 million Audi cars are fitted with the same emissions-cheating software as Volkswagen's cars. Audi is owned by Volkswagen and produces higher-end cars.

Bloomberg is also reporting that Volkswagen executives in Germany were directly involved in the faking of emissions, and former CEO Martin Winterkorn is facing an investigation by German prosecutors.

Earlier on Monday, the Financial Times warned the scandal could be "worse than Enron." Volkswagen named Porsche CEO Matthias Müller as its new boss late on Friday — he's got an unenviable job.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: audi; diesel; fiatchrysler; ford; generalmotors; germany; stockmarket; volkswagen; volkswagenscandal; volkswagenstock
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To: Charles Martel

“It’s quite possible that the “tuner” manufacturers already have the VW “cheat” code (and more) ready to apply, should any “post-recall” TDI owners wish restore their car’s former economy and/or performance.”

Not ‘quite possible’ but instead ‘most certainly and more.’

I bought one of these VWs just eleven days before the news of the scandal hit. I intend to take the insignia off, and drive it into the ground. If forced to modify the ECU, it will be at VW’s cost.

Aftermarket sources will abound, to restore the factory program, or even a better one.


81 posted on 09/28/2015 4:22:06 PM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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To: truth_seeker

Seems like just a few months ago, there was talk about the EPA targeting some of the automotive tuner - programmer companies. I’m not sure how immediate a threat that might be, but it may be a case where you shouldn’t wait too long to buy that piece of gear.


82 posted on 09/28/2015 8:48:56 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

“Seems like just a few months ago, there was talk about the EPA targeting some of the automotive tuner - programmer companies. I’m not sure how immediate a threat that might be, but it may be a case where you shouldn’t wait too long to buy that piece of gear.”

I believe the tuner industry is too large, too diverse, too international for US or states to “shut it down.”

On Sept. 7th I acquired a nearly new vehicle with under 15,000 miles. A TDi from VW’s “Certified Previously Owned” program. It will be under original-extended warranty until Dec. 2017, plus any other original warranties.

I expect VW will offer a “fix” before Dec. 2017 arrives. However I believe I will need a “smog check” in Dec. 2016 for California purposes.

Sooner or later the “fix” will come along, and it will likely “re-flash” the ECU, which means change the engine “mapping.”

The tuners will offer returns to factory, or even better for performance etc. They already do offer improved performance, presumably degrading emissions controls while doing so.

I already have an excellent VW-Audi repair shop, so I will check with them for advice.


83 posted on 09/28/2015 9:16:39 PM PDT by truth_seeker (come with the outlws.)
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To: Blue Jays

Agree!


84 posted on 09/28/2015 9:29:33 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: TexasTransplant

I’m with u on shooting the EPA !!’


85 posted on 09/28/2015 9:30:34 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: factoryrat
The big issue with diesel engines is the complication of cleaning up the elevated NOx gas output and particulates from diesel exhaust, both of which are seriously harmful to human lungs (that's why for many years people living near railroad yards had elevated levels of lung ailments due to the steam engine, then diesel engine exhaust emissions).

Modern diesel engines used on diesel-electric locomotives and oceangoing ships have very sophisticated systems to remove the diesel particulates and reduce the NOx output using various forms of selective catalytic reduction (SCR). You see them on BMW and Mercedes-Benz turbodiesel automobiles, and they are very expensive to implement (it costs about US$2,500 to US$5,000 per car). At those prices, it'll be actually be cheaper to build a true gas-electric hybrid, as Toyota has shown with the standard Prius (circa US$22,000 to US$32,000 depending on options).

I do know that VW and Mercedes-Benz have sold gas-electric hybrids in the US market. It's likely that both companies may push for more gas-electric hybrids sold in the US market until HCCI engine technology is ready a few years from now.

86 posted on 09/29/2015 12:52:57 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

I was really hoping that Hydrogen internal combustion engines took off. Ford, Mazda and BMW were working on them for a while, but they all seem to have gone off in a different direction, now.


87 posted on 09/29/2015 1:33:21 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Jack Black
The problem is that a hydrogen internal combustion engine generates this type of greenhouse gas: water vapor. And water vapor is a VASTLY more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

Can you imagine what millions of hydrogen-fueled cars in a major metropolitan area could do to the local weather with a massive increase in water vapor in the air?

88 posted on 09/29/2015 2:44:15 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88
I work for a railroad, in a diesel locomotive repair and servicing shop.

I have yet to see an SCR equipped locomotive come through. They do exist, but they are few and far inbetween.

The answer for the railroads is to offset high NOx producers with “credits” from low NOx producers.

Anyway, our main concern is with particulate emissions, which is a sign of poor efficiency, not to mention setting wayside fires by blowing sparks of burning carbon out of the stack.

Thermal efficiency of a diesel engine is diametrically opposed to NOx emissions. Diesels need high compression and combustion temps to wring as much power out a pound of fuel as possible.

89 posted on 09/30/2015 9:17:34 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat
BNSF just in the last few months took delivery of the first EPA Tier 4 certified diesel-electric locomotives from GE Transportation Systems (I believe they are the newest Evolution ES44DC models assembled at a recently-opened plant near Fort Worth, TX). They're so new I don't think they've left Texas yet, the last I heard.

They have quite different-looking cooling radiators from previous Evolution ES44DC locomotives from the pictures I've seen. And they are supposed to have the very latest emission control systems (certainly a state-of-the-art DPF).

90 posted on 09/30/2015 12:30:34 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

The railroad that I work for has the GE tier 4 ES44AC locomotives running freight now, most of them coming out of the new texas plant.

Plus, some of of the older ES44AC’s in our fleet are being refitted with the tier 4 EVO common rail FI engines.

As an aside, the transition from Erie, PA. to Texas seems to have caused some build reliability issues. We’ve been keeping the local GE service rep busy lately with warranty claims.


91 posted on 10/01/2015 2:48:22 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat
Well, the design is so new that there's bound to be reliability issues. In fact, EMD is still experimenting around with Tier 4 locomotives designs--the last I heard was using a redesigned 12-cylinder version of the 265H engine.
92 posted on 10/01/2015 2:53:31 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RayChuang88

Yeah, it’s kind of hard to get a 2 stroke engine to pass emissions. EMD did manage a tier 3 certification though. I seen a few prototype locomotives that had a 710-12 engine with the EGR system on them, but they were only rated at 3300HP. The railroad wasn’t really interested in those.

As far as 265H engine goes, EMD may have to go back to them. The SD90MAC’s they put those in originally were a pain to work on though.

Now, they have a rebuilt SD90 with a Cummins engine and 4200HP on tap to consider. We currently have a bunch of SD90’s that are sitting in storage that would be good candidates for this rebuild.


93 posted on 10/01/2015 3:12:36 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat
The original 265H-16 engines put into the SD90MAC-H locomotives were not well-liked by mechanics--they broke down a lot. However, EMD was recently experimenting with a redesigned 265H-12 engine so it could meet Tier 4 emissions standards. It'll be interesting to see what engine will be fitted to what amounts to the successor to the SD70ACe locomotive.
94 posted on 10/01/2015 4:27:01 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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