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There’s no evidence that we need to drink 8 glasses of water a day
sciencealert ^ | 25 AUG 2015 | FIONA MACDONALD

Posted on 09/26/2015 10:50:05 AM PDT by JoeProBono

Most of us have spent our lives feeling pressured by the notion that we need to drink at least eight glasses of water a day in order to avoid dehydration and stay healthy. But according to American paediatrician Aaron E. Caroll from Indiana University, there's absolutely no science to back this up, and there never was.

Caroll has already co-written a widely cited research paper and book debunking common health myths - primarily the idea that all humans need to drink eight 8-ounce (237 mL) glasses of water a day - but the rumour just won't go away, with an onslaught of media this year alleging that dehydration is on the rise due to children not drinking enough water. So Caroll took to The New York Times this week to clear things up once and (hopefully) for all.

"Contrary to many stories you may hear, there’s no real scientific proof that, for otherwise healthy people, drinking extra water has any health benefits," he writes. "For instance, reviews have failed to find that there’s any evidence that drinking more water keeps skin hydrated and makes it look healthier or wrinkle free."

So where did the great water myth come from? It's generally believed that the source is a 1945 Food and Nutrition Board Recommendation that declared, "a suitable allowance of water for adults is 2.5 litres daily in most instances. An ordinary standard for diverse persons is 1 millilitre for each calorie of food". As you might have guessed, 2.5 litres more or less works out to be around eight glasses. But what's usually ignored from that report is the crucial next sentence: "Most of this quantity is contained in prepared foods."

In fact, depending on your diet, there may be no reason to drink excess water at all. "Water is present in fruits and vegetables. It’s in juice, it’s in beer, it’s even in tea and coffee," writes Caroll. "Although I recommended water as the best beverage to consume, it’s certainly not your only source of hydration. You don’t have to consume all the water you need through drinks."

Before you object and tell us that coffee, tea, and alcohol dehydrate us, and therefore can't count towards our daily water intake, science has debunked that myth too.

A 2002 review by physician Heinz Valtin from Dartmouth University in the US found that not only was there no peer-reviewed evidence to support the eight glasses a day rule, there was also no research to suggest that other drinks couldn't be used to adequately hydrate us.

"This conclusion is supported by published studies showing that caffeinated drinks (and, to a lesser extent, mild alcoholic beverages like beer in moderation) may indeed be counted toward the daily total, as well as by the large body of published experiments that attest to the precision and effectiveness of the osmoregulatory system for maintaining water balance," Valtin concludes.

In the same study, he also broke down the myth that by the time we feel thirsty it's 'too late'. In reality, we feel thirsty exactly when we're supposed to: "when the concentration of blood (an accurate indicator of our state of hydration) has risen by less than 2 percent," he says, "whereas most experts would define dehydration as beginning when that concentration has risen by at least 5 percent.".........


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To: Bringbackthedraft

In times like these, you may wanna consider whiskey.


61 posted on 09/26/2015 12:27:13 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: JoeProBono

How dare this guy challenge with evidence a settled science. How do I know it’s settled? Because I’ve been told by many media sources that it’s settled, that’s how. Same way I know how other sciencess are settled. (saves time to let others do my thinking).

I’m sick and tired of the hydration deniers interfering with my drinking binges.


62 posted on 09/26/2015 12:28:10 PM PDT by BlueYonder
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To: JoeProBono

Impressive. Does the report mention why he went after this so called myth? Does it mention what he states is wrong with hydrating with water? Does it mention the destruction of American health and health care?

I read it, and I didn’t see any of that. Per usual we non physicians are too stupid to be allowed to follow logic

Our medical system has been destroyed. In two years, after the new president takes over, he had better be able to fix it in some manner, because what I see out there is a lot of extremely uninformed people who will be glad to follow along and blame political entities for it and the republicans, having just wrested the controls away from the idiotic, selfish, destructive democrats, are going to be standing likely deer in the headlights, as usual, and with no plan, taking all the blame

What I see are people hooked on medical care, surgery, pharmaceuticals, government funding, affordable, reasonable insurance plans, bad processed foods, thriving fast food establishments on every corner, obesity, pharmaceutical drug dependency and alcoholism.

Very few people are outside walking around, fixing things, playing driveway basketball, riding bikes

And very few people are enrolling in medical school for what I imagine are very good reasons

This doctor could look at any one of those issues plus the autism epidemic, the negative effects of birth control pills, including that it is in the same carcinogenic category as tobacco use

But he, like most doctors, even those on all kinds of boards with certifications up the yin yang, fail to look at anything outside their lets prove it world or let’s disprove it

We could use this attitude in our need to stop global warming theory from being accepted as fact

But this doctor studied the effects of drinking water with a hypothesis to disprove a 60 year old policy taken during a time when Wally and The Beav were out playing hoops and delivering papers and their mother prepared every meal and took care of illnesses by prevention and early detection and care, and paid for medical care out of pocket.

The doctor is likely finding that there is way less money for research than ever imagined and is wasting his time on this silliness

And I say schadenfreude as it was doctors in their common lack of administrative skills which first led to a widespread failure of Medicare to remain solvent, back in the early 1980s through widespread fraud waste and abuse and the utter failure to give up on it even through and now beyond obamacare and the destruction it will bring

Part of what IS coming is wise people practicing real preventive medicine, which used to be accepted normal daily life and knowledge of basic cures and treatments

Of course the AMA could renounce its support of abortion and get back into good fortune with the grace of God but I don’t see that happening any time soon.

Until then, doctors have to live with the remnants of a medical system they created that thrives on people being sick and living the unhealthy lifestyle

He would do well to go check out a local high end gym and see what capitalism is doing to react to the disaster our socialized medical system has created


63 posted on 09/26/2015 12:28:45 PM PDT by stanne
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To: momtothree

“Science” from a modern media rag.

“ScienceAlert features cool and interesting science news and entertainment worth sharing.”


64 posted on 09/26/2015 12:30:46 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: knarf

Imagine, if you will, how many tons of extrusion mold lubricant and boiled polystyrene residue the population is now consuming every year with the heavy consuption of K-cup coffee.


65 posted on 09/26/2015 12:31:13 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: JediJones

It just doesn’t get old

Why is he doing so well in the polls? Isn’t that kind of spooky?


66 posted on 09/26/2015 12:32:20 PM PDT by stanne
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To: MarvinStinson

“The halfwit “scientists” don’t know that caffeinated drinks

DEHYDRATE you.”

Perhaps you should read the article. And by the way, welcome to FreeRepublic.


67 posted on 09/26/2015 12:33:19 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Additional info - sometimes not even the water will save you from horrendous leg cramps (usually at night or when lying down) - like screaming so loud the neighbors are thinking of calling the cops or an ambulance - what happens is lactic acid settles in the mussels and needs to be displaced. Drink some brine (pickle juice) when you can get to it or have some one bring it to you - then drink as much water as you can hold.


68 posted on 09/26/2015 12:33:54 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: JoeProBono

Talk about a straw-man argument. I don’t know anyone who ever believed that you actually needed to drink 8 glasses of water a day. It is always understood that food and other beverages was the primary source of water. Sheesh, what a moron.


69 posted on 09/26/2015 12:38:32 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: JoeProBono
The "article" is from ScienceAlert,

a modern media pop-science rag

which describes itself as

“ScienceAlert features cool and interesting science news and entertainment worth sharing.”

The Author of this article has ZERO background in any type of science. She is a free lance writer hacking out a living.

70 posted on 09/26/2015 12:40:39 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: JediJones

If Marco swigs 1.5 ounces, roughly every 7 seconds... He will meet his recommended daily allowance of flip-flopping on Amnesty in just under 5 minutes.


71 posted on 09/26/2015 12:42:45 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: stanne

Just two points on what I wrote:

“What I see are people hooked on medical care, surgery, pharmaceuticals, government funding, affordable, reasonable insurance plans...”

Those insurance plans are going to be gone in as short a time from now as it took them to become unmanageable

“it was doctors in their common lack of administrative skills which first led to a widespread failure of Medicare to remain solvent...”

While true, I also believe Medicare was seriously flawed to start and doomed to failure. It is based on an illogical premise, the way I see it


72 posted on 09/26/2015 12:42:46 PM PDT by stanne
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To: JoeProBono
Perhaps you should read the article you posted.

It says

"This conclusion is supported by published studies showing that caffeinated drinks (and, to a lesser extent, mild alcoholic beverages like beer in moderation) may indeed be counted toward the daily total,"

My comment was

“The halfwit “scientists” don’t know that caffeinated drinks DEHYDRATE you.”

73 posted on 09/26/2015 12:44:05 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: JoeProBono

the deeper yellow your unine is, the more water you need to drink


74 posted on 09/26/2015 12:46:36 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: MarvinStinson

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/upshot/no-you-do-not-have-to-drink-8-glasses-of-water-a-day.html


75 posted on 09/26/2015 12:51:19 PM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: driftless2

I remember hearing that sodas didn’t count. I recognized it as Puritanism, not science.


76 posted on 09/26/2015 12:54:55 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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To: TruthWillWin

Because for some reason people think that drinking beer is kind of “naughty,” so calling the opener a “church key” was cute.


77 posted on 09/26/2015 1:01:28 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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To: JoeProBono

I read an article several years ago by a doctor who said 8 glasses of water a day is not good for you. So I switched to beer and wine. :-)


78 posted on 09/26/2015 1:05:52 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: JoeProBono

We’ve all grown up with this stuff. Some learn to question it Some never do.

Don’t enter the water for one hour after eating or you will get a cramp and drown.

Organic food is better.

Lightning never strikes twice in the same spot.

Put raw meat on a black eye.

Pretend to be dead and the bear/lion/wolf will leave you alone.

A horse hair rope around your sleeping bag will keep the snakes away.


79 posted on 09/26/2015 1:06:13 PM PDT by Drawsing (Fools show their annoyance at once, the prudent man overlooks an insult. Proverbs 12:16)
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To: Squantos

Did you know that the average American has one ovary and one testicle?


80 posted on 09/26/2015 1:06:30 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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