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To: mac_truck
Wound tracks might lend some information, but so much depends on the position, posture, and orientation of the body relative to the scene and others present at the time of impact, that the data out of context is not very useful.

The absence of GSR and stippling on wounds indicates distances greater than 3 ft. from the muzzle, not really the sort of close contact distance one would expect in a fistfight range, up close and personal melee as portrayed.

I need to review the autopsy data again, and see if any GSR tests were run on the hands of the deceased.

156 posted on 08/27/2015 9:22:28 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Wound tracks might lend some information, but so much depends on the position, posture, and orientation of the body relative to the scene and others present at the time of impact, that the data out of context is not very useful.

So size of the wound is not an important data point in your opinion?

The absence of GSR and stippling on wounds indicates distances greater than 3 ft. from the muzzle, not really the sort of close contact distance one would expect in a fistfight range, up close and personal melee as portrayed.

I disagree that the absence of wound stippling and gsr is inconsistent with the close contact biker melee narrative. At least one account has a Cossack shooter reaching over the shoulder of another Cossack to gun down a Bandido biker and the video that AP reviewed indicates there was a Cossack shooter on the patio of Twin Peaks.

167 posted on 08/28/2015 7:18:48 AM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“The absence of GSR and stippling on wounds indicates distances greater than 3 ft. from the muzzle, not really the sort of close contact distance one would expect in a fistfight range, up close and personal melee as portrayed.”

Actually, it indicates distances greater than 2 feet. Two to four feet range would be VERY common in this type of melee.


170 posted on 08/28/2015 7:28:38 AM PDT by TexasGator
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