Posted on 08/27/2015 5:43:27 AM PDT by don-o
Whatever happened to all those Waco bikers? You know, the 177 people arrested at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas after a motorcycle rally on May 17 ended with nine people shot dead?
Immediately following the shooting, I wrote about just how badly Waco authorities screwed up the arrests. Rather than trifle with technicalities like the rules for bail under the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Justice of the Peace Pete Peterson set bail at a staggering $1 million for each of the arrestees in order to “send a message.” Then I described how prosecuting nearly 200 bikers was crushing the criminal justice system in McLennan County and costing taxpayers a fortune.
Why did the story fade from public attention? What’s come out since the story broke?
As it turns out, it’s no accident that you haven’t heard more about the Waco biker debacle.
First, let’s look at two developments that seem like they would be informative, but actually aren’t.
(Excerpt) Read more at abovethelaw.com ...
The very real attraction of the .300 Blackout round is that it is essentially a .30 caliber bullet in a swedged out.223 case, and requires very little modification of the arm besides replacement of the upper and, iirc, different magazines.
The rifle looks the same outwardly as the .223/5.56X45 variants, but packs a harder wallop with a subsonic round that can be more effectively sound suppressed than the 5.56 because of the lack of sonic 'crack' from the bullet.
The basic Stoner design has been manufactured in a number of calibers besides .223/5.56 X 45.
According to the article AG rules release of DA's texts, names of 62 not charged (Radiolegendary, Aug 28), some of that information must be released.
An Attorney General's ruling released today holds that McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna must release text messages between a defense attorney and First Assistant District Attorney Michael Jarrett regarding a proposal to have defendants in the Twin Peaks cases sign hold harmless agreements promising no litigation against authorities in return for reductions in $1 million bonds set across the board by Justice of the Peace "Pete" Peterson on 177 defendants.I don't think the opinion is actually dated today, but as I type this, the latest opinion at the Texas AG Open Records Opinion Page is August 19, 2015.Defense attorneys present at a meeting between Jarrett and the jurisdiction's two Criminal District Judges revealed to media outlets that Jarrett rejected the proposal of the attorney as "improper" under the rules of criminal prosecution and constitutional rights of those accused of a crime.
The assistant to AG Ken Paxton also held that though the names of 62 persons arrested but not charged along with 177 other defendants with the offense of engaging in organized criminal activity is "intertwined with the investigation," their names must be released because public records law "does not except from disclosure basic information about an arrested person, an arrest, or a crime."
Not much in the way of new information, beyond the fact that 62 persons at the scene were identified but not arrested and accused.
The DA may take this opinion to court, to prevent or at least further delay release.
If the information does come out, we'd likely learn the name(s) of the lawyers who proffered the releases, and perhaps that the DA was, contrary to media reports, considering accepting them, before telling the defense lawyers that such a release is improper.
And pistol calibers. There are reasons to turn towards possibility of have choice selection for usage of those available, some of which as you also touched upon, and for yet other possible motivations which could be in the public interest (reduced over-travel in instances of missing an intended target, less danger of far traveling ricochet, etc.)
Thanks for the link - on point.
Now, what were the measured sizes of the wounds in the report, which procedure demands?
Were there any bone tissue measurement of bullet holes? These reliably indicate caliber.
Why not report that information?
Ahhh.... the old liberal ploy of refusing to answer by diverting the subject. It is clearly obvious you are not able to continue your lame excusing of the criminal biker gang members that were participating in the Waco shootout and answer these simple questions.
Maybe if we try one last time, it will shame you into answering.
Re-read #19. The question “Could you show one instance where any Poster had stated that ALL BIKERS ARE CRIMINALS?”, is not so difficult is it?
If your answer is yes, please help all us see your examples by linking to those phantom posts?
“Motorcycle GANG members are not the same as Motorcycle riders. I have many Motorcycle rider friends and not a damn one of them belongs to a criminal gang like the bandidos or Cossacks.” ............ Either you agree with that assessment or are more simply trying to use good law abiding citizens that happen to ride motorcycles as some human shield to detract from the rightful focus on criminal groups (commonly called GANGS) that also ride motorcycles and engage in public gang shootouts that kill nine persons.
Cellblock Six.
Hey, where are the Bruthas? See a few M13ers and lots of Life’s Losers, but no Crips n Bloods. Are criminal biker gangs prejudiced?
So size of the wound is not an important data point in your opinion?
The absence of GSR and stippling on wounds indicates distances greater than 3 ft. from the muzzle, not really the sort of close contact distance one would expect in a fistfight range, up close and personal melee as portrayed.
I disagree that the absence of wound stippling and gsr is inconsistent with the close contact biker melee narrative. At least one account has a Cossack shooter reaching over the shoulder of another Cossack to gun down a Bandido biker and the video that AP reviewed indicates there was a Cossack shooter on the patio of Twin Peaks.
“The (Bandido) partnership allows Los Zetas to have their drugs distributed throughout Bandidos territory without putting their operatives at risk. According to the report, gangs make up the primary source of distribution for Mexican drug cartels.”
A full day was devoted to these topics when the autopsies were released.
“The absence of GSR and stippling on wounds indicates distances greater than 3 ft. from the muzzle, not really the sort of close contact distance one would expect in a fistfight range, up close and personal melee as portrayed.”
Actually, it indicates distances greater than 2 feet. Two to four feet range would be VERY common in this type of melee.
“Kangaroo court in Waco: No reason needed to arrest packing pastor with CCL”
Are you referring to the Bandido retired pharmacy clerk?
“Remember the alleged offer to release some accused, if they signed a paper that promised not to make a claim based on false arrest?”
Yes. One of the lawyers that had repeated it said he was going to file a complaint against the other biker lawyer for making BS up!
Take your links and shove them, twerp.
So that should make these questions easy, no?
More like 5 feet, generally speaking, and not without some exceptions for yet further range.
Then there would need be consideration for whether or not the wound was received through clothing, the composition of clothing, how many layers, etc.
But as usual, there isn't anything you put your hands on that you don't manipulate for your own ends, in support of your mouthfuls of accusation spewed out against most any and all "bikers" who happened to be present, while on the other hand the po-po are made out to be like angels, fully justified in anything and everything, even though they likely killed (and wounded) more people that day than bikers did each other.
Notice no police were shot?
So much for the early-on in the affair shout-out over the police radio "they're on the ground and shooting at us!".
I believe that came across as signaling open season for police shooters to shoot to kill bikers who had hit the deck hoping to stay out of the shooting, if only by accident as it were.
Deal with that sort of aspect of things in some other way that painting all who were present that day as members of criminal "gangs", and people around here may take you more seriously, instead of many of us here despising your gator-mouth, and squirmy, lying, twisted guts.
I can't say what they saw, nor attest to the accuracy thereof. AP is not necessarily known for being scrupulously accurate, especially when it comes to anything technical.
I have seen someone reach over someone's shoulder and cut someone in front of them, but that was closer than even 1 foot. An attacker would perform such a maneuver to get closer to their victim (contact distance).
While the size of the wound may be important, there is swelling of the tissue at the wound site, skin elasticity varies, and the angle of the wound, as well as whether it is an entry or exit wound all matter in determining the size of the wound.
Intervening materials which may cause partial expansion or deformation of the projectile can also affect wound size.
Simply put, the way to determine the caliber of the bullet (and often the weapon it was fired from) causing injury or death is to recover the bullet, weigh and measure it, and determine if all of the bullet was recovered. Patterns (and number) of markings from lands and grooves in the barrel can rule out or sometimes help identify the type of weapon it was fired from.
That is ballistics information, not included in the autopsy reports, and definitely not in the AP video.
“More like 5 feet, generally speaking, and not without some exceptions for yet further range.”
More like 2 feet.
“all who were present that day as members of criminal “gangs”, “
I have NEVER said all that were present were members of criminal gangs. IN FACT, I have specifically posted that all were not.
There was a lot more requested than names of those detained but not arrested. FOIA demands began in early June. Still, who knows what one of those 62 might know?
Have not heard a word about the wiped cell phones that were returned, either.
Good afternoon Patrick. You have, however, provided a number of those who were.
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