Posted on 07/22/2015 8:36:50 PM PDT by garjog
I’m hip...the more I learn of his universe the more I am in awe of his creation.
I offer this observation as an example:
“We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in Cana, as of a miracle. But this conversion is, through the goodness of God, made every day before our eyes. Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards, and which incorporates itself with the grapes to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy!”
Ben franklin; letter to Abbe Morellet
By this same reasoning science is a tool God gave us through reason and experiment to understand his creation.....and we should fully explore all of it as possible.
At any rate they will still have to wait 20k light years to get our messages before they can employ their instantaneous star travel tech.
LOL!
Actually I pity them, whomever they are.
Yeah I get that....what I am saying is...were our science fiction goes.....science reality follows.
That is driven by inspiration, muse, and intelligence....all gifts from God.
If we found ET tomorrow...I would ask about their creation myths(if any)....where did you come from?
It would afirm my belief that there is something beyond ourselves that takes intrest in our material plane.
Forget network programming. All of 0bama's speeches have been beamed into space.
It's only a matter of time ... this planet will be vaporized!
Since the 'big bang' is impossible, given these laws, there must be a first cause outside of time (since everything started with the 'big bang'). While secular scientists postulate just about anything to avoid even thinking there might be a (horrors) God in charge, Genesis explains the 'first cause' elegantly and concisely in the first four words: "IN THE BEGINNING, GOD created the heavens and the Earth..."
This man, a physicist, believes that we are currently in the seventh day, if I recall, the day you ask about. He ties young Earth age creation theory (6,000 years) to old Earth creation theory (15+/- billion years) and explains how the Earth can be both 6,000 years of age and also 15 billion years of age. (FWIW, I haven't watched this video in a number of years, so I may have made some errors in my comments about this video.)
Nah, ET will wonder in awe that there are creatures on this planet that believe zero’s drivel.
You mean that’s the beeber that will stune them?
Earthly beebers will not stune them, all our beebers belong to them.
Again, not looking for a religious argument, but the answer to your first question is “no” I wasn’t in any way suggesting that the Bible says the earth is flat.
What I am saying is that even though the Bible and Pythagoras, may have made suggestion, even openly said that the earth was a circle, The religious scholars at the time our version of the Bible was translated didn’t recognize that knowledge, and they were still executing “heretics” who believed that the Earth revolved around the Sun, and their common belief was the earth was flat. Now, with our expanded intelligence we can study the Bible, and see it was correct, The Earth is round.
“Our planet is unique in the galaxy, designed specifically for human life.”
I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. We now know there are 100 billion stars just in our galaxy alone. We have 2 telescopes in space that in just 3 years have found thousands of planets in the “Goldilocks” zone of these stars. These planets show evidence of oxygen-Nitrogen based atmospheres. They also show evidence of moisture.
While we haven’t found evidence of life, we have definitely seen other Planets capable of supporting it.
“He created a universe for us to marvel”
I believe we were given the universe for more than this. One of God’s commands to Noah was “Go forth, be fruitful, and multiply”. Go forth was the first order of business in that statement, and God built a natural curiosity into us. He wants us to expand our mind. He wants us to see what’s out there. There may not be other life out there, but we have to go forth and find out.
To me it’s kind of like saying the Bible says God will heal us, but refusing to go to the Doctor who He gave the understanding of the body to be healed. If God expected us to only be healed by His word why give the surgeon the skills to save us. He gave the scientist the mind to understand complex math, the pilot the skill to fly, the artist, the ability to create beautiful images, or music.
God’s wishes for us are parallel to a parents wishes for a child. He wants us to love Him, and revere Him, but he also wants us to dream, and go, and reach, and discover as much as we can.
We know God loves us, He couldn’t have shown it any better than allowing us the ability to find Him any way we can.
Not talking about God’s word.
We, humans, still believed the earth was flat, and the sun revolved around the earth.
Thank you. That is heartening to hear from a Pastor, especially the way I’m getting comments about not knowing the literal word of God.
I just told another poster that while the Bible mentions the Earth being a circle, the men who translated it to our language still didn’t understand that as they were still executing “heretics” for saying the Earth revolved around the Sun, and common belief until Colombus’ time was the earth was flat. We now, with our expanded knowledge (the mind being a gift from God) can study the Bible and clearly see that it says the earth is round, or like your example the bacteria in the crack of the plate.
Thank you again. I have never had a minister who I felt I could ask direct questions like this.
I hope you don’t mind if I call on you from time to time for answers/opinion.
ok, my mistake. i read your comment with “your” instead of “our”, still my points stand.
however, don’t confuse wishful thinking and science fiction with real science. there are certain truths about the universe that are inviolate. things such as the forward movement of time and the speed of limit being an upper bound. it’s fun to have thought experiments about what “could” be if such things were not universally true, but lots of experimental evidence exists to confirm that they are.
i’d love to be able to travel back in time, or to visit another galaxy. but those feats are beyond the realms of possibility according to everything we understand about the universe. sure, we can say that we should never rule out anything as being impossible as a matter of principle since we are not God and do not understand the true nature of the universe (since physics is ultimately just a way for us to model and predict future behaviors), we also shouldn’t fall into the trap of thinking that all things are possible. clearly, this is not true. experimental evidence shows that our current models for most of the big things work very well and only really require occasional minor tweaking for odd corner cases as they are discovered (such as the behavior of energy/matter at the event horizon of a black hole).
things like interdimensional portals between universes or distant points in the same universe are just mathematical conjectures. fun to think about, but purely in the realm of speculation at this point.
back to the original point about aliens. if there is anything else out there, the odds are astronomically against us ever knowing about them or vice-versa. simply because the distances involved are vast. distances of a billion light years are not really that extreme in an observable universe whose diameter approaches 90 billion light years. when you compare the volume of the universe within 1 billion light years of earth with the total volume of the observable universe, it’s a really small percentage. and that’s not even taking into account the unobservable universe with which we can never see nor interact with.
it’s these sorts of distances never taken into account in sci movies or “had waved” away with things such as wormholes and warp drives, which nevertheless make it highly unlikely that we’ll ever encounter any other life in the universe, even if it’s out there. then add to it the problem of time, and it gets even more unlikely. let’s say that there was a civilization a mere 500 light years from earth that was capable of interplanetary travel. if they existed concurrently with us, then maybe... just maybe... we’d detect their transmissions and vice versa. but let’s say they came along 500 million years before us, or 500 million years after us, or 5000 years before us, etc. we would never, ever know because even though we’re essentially next door neighbors at a mere 500 light years apart, one of us came and went before the other was around to see our EM fingerprints.
AFA seeing life, especially 'intelligent' life? I would rather suspect that such creatures would be demons pretending to be 'aliens', to draw people from faith in the Bible.
Laugh as much as you like, but as a Christian, we know that mohamed, if he was visited by a being, as he claimed (he claimed it was the angel Gabriel), was visited by one of satan's demons pretending to be an angel. The third hadith of the first volume of Sahih Bukhari describes how this 'angel' 'pressed' mo so hard that he could not stand it and repeated this several times.
Demons are real and I believe, could and would pretend to be aliens, just to drive people from the Bible and Jesus.
Amen !
Ah.....no I get that...if there is any “life beyond life” ((meaning unexplored in the universe) is must be false life...aka a demon placed there to fool us by satan.
well that assumes two things.....
That God cannot or would not create life beyond man (which we already know he has done on our own planet with the beasts, fowl and fish of our earth)
So since he has clearly created life on this earth that is not “man”....how do you know he hasnt created other life in his universe that is not man....and we have yet to discover it as is his plan for us?
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